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From: Andy Green <andy.green-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Greg KH
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	keshava_mgowda-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org,
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	balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org,
	rogerq-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] drivers : introduce device_path api
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:02:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B40320.2020206@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211261555400.2168-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>

On 11/27/2012 05:07 AM, the mail apparently from Alan Stern included:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Greg KH wrote:
>
>> Ah, here's the root of your problem, right?  You need a way for your
>> hardware to tell the kernel that you have a regulator attached to a
>> specific device?  Using the device path and hard-coding it into the
>> kernel is not the proper way to solve this, sorry.  Use some other
>> unique way to describe the hardware, surely the hardware designers
>> couldn't have been that foolish not to provide this [1]?
>
> As far as I know, the kernel has no other way to describe devices.
>
> What about using partial matches?  In this example, instead of doing a
> wildcard match against
>
> 	/platform/usbhs_omap/ehci-omap.0/usb*
>
> (which would fail if the "platform" part of the path changes), suppose
> the string "ehci-omap.0/usb*" could be associated with the usbhs_omap
> component somehow.  Or even better, the string "usb*" could be
> associated with the ehci-omap.0 device.
>
> Then the path-matching code could restrict its attention to that part
> of the path and to devices below the specified one.  Naming changes
> wouldn't be an issue, because the changes themselves would be made in
> the same source file that contains the partial path string.

Yes just dropping the starting / on the match and allowing a fragment to 
match further up the string would solve it.  ehci-omap.0 won't appear 
down any other earlier device paths than the right one.

> On the other hand, this may be way more general than we really need.
> For this particular case, all we need to do is take special action the
> first time any device is registered below the ehci-omap.0 platform
> device.  There ought to be a more direct way to accomplish this,
> without using string pattern-matching or sysfs pathnames (and without
> adding overhead every time a device is added or deleted).

There are no sysfs pathnames involved here at all.  Greg invented that.

> I don't know if such an approach would be sufficiently general for
> future requirements, but it would solve the problem at hand.

We can get a notification about device creation and do things there. 
But the cost of that is like the tuple suggestion, they'll only be able 
to do a fixed thing like operate on regulators.

Actually the targeted device may have arbitrary associated assets like 
generic GPIO to turn on a "flash" for built-in webcam controlled 
out-of-band.  These also can be reached by known names.  And the driver 
may wish to do things with them that are more complex than enable / 
disable or follow logical lifecycle of the hub or whatever.

However when the guidance from Greg is that we can do nothing except 
complain at hardware designers for some reason I failed to quite 
identify, I fear we are moving deckchairs on the titanic.

-Andy

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-27  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-26 12:45 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Device Paths introduced and applied to generic hub and panda Andy Green
2012-11-26 12:45 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] drivers : introduce device_path api Andy Green
2012-11-26 19:12   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211261348310.2168-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-26 23:26       ` Andy Green
     [not found]   ` <20121126124534.18106.44137.stgit-Ak/hGR4SqtBG2qbu2SEcwgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-26 19:16     ` Greg KH
     [not found]       ` <20121126191612.GA11239-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-26 23:28         ` Andy Green
2012-11-26 19:22   ` Greg KH
2012-11-26 19:27     ` Greg KH
2012-11-26 21:07     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-26 22:50       ` Greg KH
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211261555400.2168-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-27  0:02         ` Andy Green [this message]
     [not found]           ` <50B40320.2020206-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-27 16:37             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-27 17:44               ` Andy Green
     [not found]                 ` <50B4FBE9.5080301-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-27 18:09                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211271253230.1489-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-27 19:22                       ` Andy Green
2012-11-27 20:10                         ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211271446430.1489-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-28  2:30                             ` Andy Green
     [not found]                         ` <50B51313.2060003-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-28 11:13                           ` Roger Quadros
2012-11-28 11:47                             ` Andy Green
2012-11-28 12:45                               ` Roger Quadros
2012-11-28 16:43                             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-29  2:05                               ` Ming Lei
2012-11-29 17:05                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-27  3:41       ` Ming Lei
2012-11-27 16:30         ` Alan Stern
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211271119380.1489-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-27 17:02             ` Greg KH
2012-12-01  7:49               ` Jassi Brar
2012-12-01  8:37                 ` Andy Green
     [not found]                   ` <50B9C1B0.3080605-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-01 18:08                     ` Jassi Brar
     [not found]                 ` <CABb+yY3TC3z+jRU91KGX+FKLtJ3ZXUp55-wM_KjxiYuVZ+LL+Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-05 14:09                   ` Roger Quadros
     [not found]                     ` <50BF55B3.1030205-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-06 14:34                       ` Jassi Brar
2012-12-10  9:48                         ` Roger Quadros
     [not found]                           ` <50C5B003.9060904-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-10 14:36                             ` Felipe Balbi
2012-12-11  9:12                           ` Jassi Brar
     [not found]                             ` <CABb+yY3u2QB0JqXrznDGHXqH3crkYk54whC0GTwkBHqjdEzhbg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 10:01                               ` Roger Quadros
     [not found]                                 ` <50C70495.40500-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 10:09                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2012-11-27 17:22           ` Ming Lei
2012-11-27 17:55             ` Andy Green
     [not found]               ` <50B4FE7D.9030505-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-27 23:06                 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-28  1:16                   ` Ming Lei
2012-11-26 23:47     ` Andy Green
     [not found] ` <20121126123427.18106.4112.stgit-Ak/hGR4SqtBG2qbu2SEcwgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-26 12:45   ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] usb: omap ehci: remove all regulator control from ehci omap Andy Green
2012-11-26 12:45 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] usb: hub: add device_path regulator control to generic hub Andy Green
2012-11-26 19:23   ` Greg KH
2012-11-26 12:45 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] omap4: panda: add smsc95xx regulator and reset dependent on root hub Andy Green
2012-11-26 16:20   ` Roger Quadros
2012-11-27  0:17     ` Andy Green
2012-11-26 12:45 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] config omap2plus add ehci bits Andy Green

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