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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Partha Basak <p-basak2@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PM: add synchronous runtime interface for interrupt handlers
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:52:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aamqaqt9.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1010071048100.1753-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (Alan Stern's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:26:55 -0400 (EDT)")

Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> writes:

> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>
>> Defer the resume.  That's the only thing you can do in any case, whether you're
>> going to busy loop or just use a workqueue.
>
> They are not the same.  With a busy-wait you handle the device as soon
> as possible, before the interrupt routine returns.  With a workqueue
> you have to mask the entire IRQ line, possibly losing interrupt
> requests from other devices, until the workqueue routine can run.
>
>> > On the whole, I don't see any striking reason for the PM core not to 
>> > busy-wait during a concurrent state change.
>> 
>> I do.  That shouldn't happen in a fast path and we're talking about one,
>> aren't we?  Besides, I don't like busy waiting as a rule.
>
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Kevin Hilman wrote:
>
>> Not sure I follow where you're going with this last paragraph.  Of
>> course, calls from ISR context cannot busy wait.
>
> What do you guys think spin_lock() does?  It busy-waits until the lock 
> is free!  If you don't like busy-waiting then you don't like spinlocks, 
> and if you believe ISR's can't busy-wait then you believe they can't 
> acquire spinlocks.  :-)

My confusion is not about the use of spinlocks, it's a question of what
is being busy-waited for, and the thread that is being waited for is
going to complete when interrupts are disabled.

Sorry to be dense, but can you (re)summarize what you're proposing as I
think I'm getting mixed up with all the various options we've been
tossing around.

If it can work, I'm certainly in favor of a busy-wait approach as it 
really ensures that sync requests are handled quickly.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-07 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-24  0:05 runtime_pm_get_sync() from ISR with IRQs disabled? Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 15:13 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-09-24 18:54   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 20:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 13:57       ` Alan Stern
2010-09-27 20:00         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 20:39           ` Alan Stern
2010-09-27 21:09             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-28 14:55               ` Alan Stern
2010-09-28 18:19                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 18:25                   ` [PATCH] PM: add synchronous runtime interface for interrupt handlers Alan Stern
2010-09-30 20:15                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-30 21:42                       ` Alan Stern
2010-09-30 22:41                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-01 14:28                           ` Alan Stern
2010-10-01 21:23                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-02 14:12                               ` Alan Stern
2010-10-02 22:06                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-03 15:52                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-10-03 20:33                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-05 21:44                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 15:58                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-10-06 19:33                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-06 19:35                                     ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-06 20:28                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-10-06 21:47                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 15:26                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-10-07 16:52                                             ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2010-10-07 17:35                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-10-07 21:11                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 23:15                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-07 23:37                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-07 23:55                                                       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-08 16:22                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 21:04                                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-10-08 19:57                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-08 16:18                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-10-08 19:53                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-09 11:09                                                       ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-11 17:00                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-10-11 22:30                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-19 15:45                                           ` [PATCH ver. 2] " Alan Stern
2010-11-20 12:56                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-20 16:59                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-11-20 19:41                                                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-11-21 23:45                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-21 23:41                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-22 15:38                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-11-22 23:01                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-23  3:19                                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-11-23 22:51                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-24  0:11                                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-24 16:43                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-11-24 18:03                                                               ` Kevin Hilman
2010-11-24 14:56                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-11-24 20:33                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-25 15:52                                                               ` [PATCH ver. 3] " Alan Stern
2010-11-25 18:58                                                                 ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2010-11-25 20:03                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-11-26 22:23                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-06 23:51                                         ` [PATCH] " Kevin Hilman
2010-09-30 22:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-10-01 14:12                       ` Alan Stern
2010-10-01 21:14                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-09-27 21:11             ` [linux-pm] runtime_pm_get_sync() from ISR with IRQs disabled? Kevin Hilman
2010-09-24 20:27     ` Alan Stern
2010-09-24 21:52       ` Kevin Hilman

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