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From: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Yu Zhang <zhangyu1@linux.microsoft.com>
Cc: jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com,
	Easwar Hariharan <eahariha@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"zhangyu1@microsoft.com" <zhangyu1@microsoft.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	patches@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] iommu/virtio: Move to domain_alloc_paging()
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 10:58:05 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98298574-66b6-4b14-be3b-28291f1551a8@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250219103518.GA513544@myrica>

On 2/19/25 18:35, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 05:39:19PM +0800, Yu Zhang wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 06:09:19PM +0000, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 01:03:43AM +0800, Yu Zhang wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 09:46:01AM +0000, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jacob,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 09:47:23PM -0800, Jacob Pan wrote:
>>>>>> Our code and backend support are still in the early stages, that is why
>>>>>> I am attempting to convert virtio-iommu driver to iommu_pt. Not sure if
>>>>>> anyone has done the QEMU part to support VIRTIO_IOMMU_F_ATTACH_TABLE?
>>>>>> @Jean @Eric Do you know?
>>>>> As far as I know Tina worked on this most recently:
>>>>> https://github.com/TinaZhangZW/qemu/commits/virtio-iommu/vt-d-pgtable/
>>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20231106071226.9656-1-tina.zhang@intel.com/
>>>> Thanks a lot for this information, Jean.
>>>> IIUC, these patches were trying to add VT-d IO page table support in
>>>> virtio-iommu, but it is not based on Jason's generic PT [1]. Just wondering,
>>>> does anyone have plan to do the incorporation?
>>> I'm not aware of anyone working on this at the moment. Something you will
>>> need for a portable pviommu is a library that manages PASID tables rather
>>> than page tables [1], because the Arm SMMUv3 arch only support assigning
>>> PASID tables to the guest. Alternatively you could implement opaque PASID
>>> table allocation via host calls, letting the guest allocate GPA space and
>>> the host manage the PASID table, but that idea didn't seem very popular at
>>> the time.
>> Thank you, Jean. Just had a study of the spec. For ARM SMMUv3, letting
>> the guest manage the PASID table, and then assigning it directly to the
>> backend in ATTACH_TABLE request looks quite resonable. But for VT-d,
>> my understanding is the PASID table shall be managed by host. By "that
>> idea didn't seem very popular", do you mean that people also want the
>> ATTCH_TABLE request for VT-d also assign the PASID table(an virtual one
>> managed by the guest). If yes, why?
> No, the proposal for managing the PASID table in the host was done before
> the VT-d architecture added Scalable mode, so at the time they also had to
> assign whole PASID tables to the guest and weren't keen on managing it in
> the host. I believe in revision 3 (2018) the architecture added support
> for Scalable mode and the ability to manage PASID tables in the host.
> 
> Nowadays it wouldn't make sense for a pvIOMMU to manage the VT-d PASID
> tables in the guest, because as I understand it there is no demand for
> supporting the legacy mode address translation of VT-d.

Are you talking about ECS mode? There is no hardware or software
implementation for this mode, so we don't need to consider it.

Thanks,
baolu

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-20  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-07 14:46 [PATCH 0/5] Convert virtio-iommu to domain_alloc_paging() Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 14:46 ` [PATCH 1/5] iommu/virtio: Break out bypass identity support into a global static Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12  0:43   ` Jacob Pan
2025-02-18 18:21     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-21 11:35   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-24 19:37     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 14:46 ` [PATCH 2/5] iommu: Add domain_alloc_identity() Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12 13:56   ` Robin Murphy
2025-02-12 14:03     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12 14:16       ` Robin Murphy
2025-02-12 14:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 14:46 ` [PATCH 3/5] iommu/virtio: Move to domain_alloc_paging() Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12 19:22   ` Jacob Pan
2025-02-12 23:30     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-13  5:47       ` Jacob Pan
2025-02-18 20:01         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]       ` <67ad876d.170a0220.3c21dc.85ceSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-02-13  9:46         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-13 17:03           ` Yu Zhang
2025-02-13 18:09             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-19  9:39               ` Yu Zhang
2025-02-19 10:35                 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-19 11:11                   ` Yu Zhang
2025-02-19 11:57                     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-19 13:10                   ` Yi Liu
2025-02-20  2:58                   ` Baolu Lu [this message]
2025-02-20  3:44                     ` Yu Zhang
2025-02-07 14:46 ` [PATCH 4/5] iommu: Do not call domain_alloc() in iommu_sva_domain_alloc() Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 14:46 ` [PATCH 5/5] iommu: Hide ops.domain_alloc behind CONFIG_FSL_PAMU Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12  0:41 ` [PATCH 0/5] Convert virtio-iommu to domain_alloc_paging() Jacob Pan
2025-02-12 12:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12 18:50     ` Jacob Pan
2025-02-12 20:10       ` Robin Murphy
2025-02-21 11:42     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-24 19:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found] ` <67abee53.170a0220.154671.ae28SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-02-12 11:58   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2025-02-12 17:05     ` Jacob Pan
     [not found]     ` <67acd4e2.630a0220.365aab.e098SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-02-12 19:16       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker

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