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From: Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: "Moger, Babu" <babu.moger@amd.com>
Cc: Peter Newman <peternewman@google.com>,
	"Yu, Fenghua" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	"Chatre, Reinette" <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Shaopeng Tan <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Jamie Iles <quic_jiles@quicinc.com>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"patches@lists.linux.dev" <patches@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/resctrl: mba_MBps: Fall back to total b/w if local b/w unavailable
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 12:54:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTrD2Q8Hpk1EjIBA@agluck-desk3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a55c7d7e-019f-4eb1-9ae7-ec5e0f810bd3@amd.com>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:19:14PM -0500, Moger, Babu wrote:
> Hi Tony,
> 
> On 10/26/23 11:09, Luck, Tony wrote:
> >>> What I meant was I think it would be enough to just give the function
> >>> you added a name that's more specific to the Mbps controller use case.
> >>> For example, get_mba_sc_mbm_state().
> >>
> >> I actually liked this idea. Add a new function get_mba_sc_mbm_state. That
> >> way we exactly know why this function is used. I see you already sent a v2
> >> making the event global. Making it global may not be good idea. Can you
> >> please update the patch and resend. Also please add the comment about why
> >> you are adding that function.
> > 
> > Can you explain why you don't like the global? If there is a better name for it,
> > or a better comment for what it does, or you think the code that sets the value
> > could be clearer, then I'm happy to make changes there.
> 
> My theory is always try to localize the changes and avoid global variables
> when there are other ways to do the same thing. It may not be strong argument.

A good theory. I do this too. But it seems I'm more likely to go with
global variables if the cost of avoiding them is high. But "cost" is
a very subjective thing.

> > Which events are supported by a system is a static property. Figuring out once
> > at "init" time which event to use for mba_MBps seems a better choice than
> > re-checking for each of possibly hundreds of RMIDs every second. Even though
> > the check is cheap, it is utterly pointless.
> 
> mbm_update happens here only to the active group (not on all the available
> rmids).

mbaMBps needs to get data from all active RMIDs to provide input to
the feedback loop. That might be a lot of RMIDs if many jobs are being
monitored independently (which I believe is a common mode of operation).

> Also, I am not clear about weather this is going fix your problem.
> You are setting the MSR limit based on total bandwidth. The MSR you are
> writing may only have the local socket effect. In cases where all the
> memory is allocated from remote socket then writing the MSR may not have
> any effect.

Intel MBA controls operate on all memory operations that miss the L3
cache (whether they are going to a local memory controller, or across
a UPI link to a memory controller on another socket).

> Also you said you don't have the hardware to verify. Its always good to
> verify if is really fixing the problem. my 02 cents.

I don't have hardare that enforces this. But Linux does have a boot
option clearcpuid=cqm_mbm_local to tell Linux that the system doesn't
provide a local counter. I've been using that for all my testing.

-Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24 18:16 [PATCH] x86/resctrl: mba_MBps: Fall back to total b/w if local b/w unavailable Tony Luck
2023-10-24 18:24 ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-24 23:20 ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-24 23:43   ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-25 16:01     ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-25 12:46 ` Peter Newman
2023-10-25 19:38   ` Tony Luck
2023-10-25 20:39     ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-25 20:42       ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-25 20:52         ` Tony Luck
2023-10-25 23:41           ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26  0:07             ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-25 21:06     ` Peter Newman
2023-10-26 13:55       ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26 16:09         ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-26 17:19           ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26 19:54             ` Tony Luck [this message]
2023-10-25 23:50 ` [PATCH v2] " Tony Luck
2023-10-26 20:02   ` [PATCH v3] " Tony Luck
2023-10-26 22:40     ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26 22:59       ` Luck, Tony
2023-11-03 21:43     ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 21:50       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-07 21:15       ` Tony Luck
2023-11-08 21:49         ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-09 21:27           ` Luck, Tony
2023-11-15 16:09             ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-15 21:54               ` Tony Luck
2023-11-16 19:48                 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-28 23:14     ` [PATCH v4] x86/resctrl: Add mount option to pick total MBM event Tony Luck
2023-11-29 23:48       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-01 20:45         ` Tony Luck
2023-12-01 21:47       ` [PATCH v5] x86/resctrl: Add event choices for mba_MBps Tony Luck
2023-12-04 16:24         ` Moger, Babu
2023-12-04 18:16           ` Tony Luck
2023-12-04 19:04             ` Moger, Babu
2023-12-04 19:45               ` Luck, Tony
2023-12-04 20:03                 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-04 21:08                   ` Tony Luck
2023-12-04 22:15                     ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-04 22:51                       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-07 19:56         ` [PATCH v6 0/3] x86/resctrl: mba_MBps enhancements Tony Luck
2023-12-07 19:56           ` [PATCH v6 1/3] x86/resctrl: Add mount option "mba_MBps_event" Tony Luck
2023-12-08 18:17             ` Peter Newman
2023-12-08 21:57               ` Tony Luck
2023-12-08 22:09                 ` Peter Newman
2023-12-08 22:37                   ` Luck, Tony
2023-12-12 17:54                   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-12 20:02                     ` Tony Luck
2023-12-12 21:42                       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-13  1:07                         ` Luck, Tony
2023-12-08 18:29             ` Moger, Babu
2023-12-08 21:50               ` Tony Luck
2023-12-12 18:59             ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-07 19:56           ` [PATCH v6 2/3] x86/resctrl: Use total bandwidth for mba_MBps option when local isn't present Tony Luck
2023-12-08 18:26             ` Peter Newman
2023-12-07 19:56           ` [PATCH v6 3/3] x86/resctrl: Add new "mba_MBps_event" mount option to documentation Tony Luck
2023-12-08 19:22             ` Peter Newman
2023-12-12 18:59             ` Reinette Chatre
2024-01-09 22:00         ` [PATCH] x86/resctrl: Implement new MBA_mbps throttling heuristic Tony Luck
2024-01-16 19:55           ` Reinette Chatre
2024-01-17  3:36             ` Xiaochen Shen
2024-01-17  3:40           ` Xiaochen Shen
2024-01-18  0:26           ` Reinette Chatre
2024-01-18 21:42         ` [PATCH v2] x86/resctrl: Implement new mba_MBps " Tony Luck
2024-01-22 17:34           ` Reinette Chatre
2024-01-22 18:07             ` Luck, Tony
2024-01-22 18:18               ` Reinette Chatre
2024-01-22 18:21                 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-01-22 18:41                   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-01-22 18:47                     ` Borislav Petkov
2024-01-22 20:58                       ` Luck, Tony
2024-01-23 12:12                         ` James Morse
2024-01-23 17:07                           ` Luck, Tony
2024-01-24  0:29                             ` Tony Luck
2024-01-25 17:29                               ` Tony Luck
2024-01-22 18:08           ` [PATCH v3] " Tony Luck

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