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I assume it is using BSD sockets to communicate with the > kernel and the protocol. No, at the moment it uses procfs or a shared mmap'd chardev buffer. > So you need an API below sockets to get this > traffic, i assume a whole new protocol family? But you have an API on > top of sockets for TCP/UDP. So i guess your protocol somehow > encapsulate the traffic and then uses the API your are proposing to > send over TCP or UDP? Yes, we take a message/value from a user space app and send it to other nodes via UDP according to the chosen protocol. Mind that the term "protocol" might be misleading here as it can be confused with classic network protocols. Our API offers distributed services such as failure detectors, consensus etc. > Which makes me think: > > Why go through sockets twice for a low jitter networking protocol? The idea behind the system is to be split: user space apps are normal apps that can present arbitrary jitter, kernel space services are isolated to provide low jitter. The same applies in the network via a SDN based protocol which prioritises our traffic. By having end-to-end timely communication and processing, we can achieve new efficient distributed services.