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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>,
	patches@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Remove split on unmap behavior
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 14:50:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d9f64a98-2091-4882-8a2c-115fe24f6f77@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241021121724.GN3559746@nvidia.com>

On 21/10/2024 1:17 pm, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 12:32:21PM +0100, Steven Price wrote:
> 
>>> that, we can always do it in two steps (unmap the 2M region and remap
>>> the borders). At some point it'd be good to have some kind of atomic
>>> page table updates, so we don't have this short period of time during
>>> which nothing is mapped (between the unmap and the remap), but that's a
>>> different story.
>>
>> The GPU hardware provides that. The only possible missing piece is that
>> the driver needs to know ahead of time that the unmap would unmap the 2M
>> region so it can do the correct lock before the entries are removed.
> 
> It looks like we need atomic update for some confidential compute
> scenarios, so I am working toward that with the coming generic pt
> stuff.

Beware that whatever the Mali drivers might have the option to do for 
themselves, there's still no notion of "atomic update" for SMMU and 
io-pgtable-arm in general, other than perhaps for permission changes - 
even BBML is quite explicitly non-atomic, as it's defined in terms of 
two otherwise-identical mappings existing at the same time, just 
guaranteeing that while they do, you'll still get behaviour consistent 
with one *or* the other, and not anything in-between.

As far as this patch goes, though, I would not be at all unhappy to see 
the back of split_blk_unmap... However if we are going to do this then 
I'd like even more to formally define it as the behaviour of 
iommu_unmap() and fix up all the other drivers which behave still 
differently (the statement in the commit message is incorrect - 
io-pgtable-arm-v7s still splits; at least exynos fails the unmap entirely.)

Thanks,
Robin.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-21 13:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-18 17:19 [PATCH] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Remove split on unmap behavior Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-21  9:17 ` Boris Brezillon
2024-10-21 11:32   ` Steven Price
2024-10-21 12:17     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-21 13:50       ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2024-10-21 14:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-24 13:05 ` Will Deacon
2024-10-24 13:44   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-01 11:54     ` Will Deacon
2024-11-01 11:58 ` Will Deacon
2024-11-01 15:37   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-01 13:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-04 11:32   ` Will Deacon
2025-07-05 20:12     ` Daniel Mentz
2025-07-07 16:05       ` Liviu Dudau

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