From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Michael Kelley" <mhklinux@outlook.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH hyperv-next v5 03/11] Drivers: hv: Enable VTL mode for arm64
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 22:20:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <119cfb59-d68b-4718-b7cb-90cba67827e8@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR02MB41488C06B7E42830C700318DD4D62@BN7PR02MB4148.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
On Mon, Mar 10, 2025, at 22:01, Michael Kelley wrote:
> From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 1:05 PM
>> > config HYPERV_VTL_MODE
>> > bool "Enable Linux to boot in VTL context"
>> > - depends on X86_64 && HYPERV
>> > + depends on (X86_64 || ARM64)
>> > depends on SMP
>> > + select OF_EARLY_FLATTREE
>> > + select OF
>> > default n
>> > help
>>
>> Having the dependency below the top-level Kconfig entry feels a little
>> counterintuitive. You could flip that back as it was before by doing
>>
>> select HYPERV_VTL_MODE if !ACPI
>> depends on ACPI || SMP
>>
>> in the HYPERV option, leaving the dependency on HYPERV in
>> HYPERV_VTL_MODE.
>
> I would argue that we don't ever want to implicitly select
> HYPERV_VTL_MODE because of some other config setting or
> lack thereof. VTL mode is enough of a special case that it should
> only be explicitly selected. If someone omits ACPI, then HYPERV
> should not be selectable unless HYPERV_VTL_MODE is explicitly
> selected.
>
> The last line of the comment for HYPERV_VTL_MODE says
> "A kernel built with this option must run at VTL2, and will not run
> as a normal guest." In other words, don't choose this unless you
> 100% know that VTL2 is what you want.
It sounds like the latter is the real problem: enabling a feature
should never prevent something else from working. Can you describe
what VTL context is and why it requires an exception to a rather
fundamental rule here? If you build a kernel that runs on every
single piece of arm64 hardware and every hypervisor, why can't
you add HYPERV_VTL_MODE to that as an option?
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-10 21:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-07 22:02 [PATCH hyperv-next v5 00/11] arm64: hyperv: Support Virtual Trust Level Boot Roman Kisel
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 01/11] arm64: kvm, smccc: Introduce and use API for detectting hypervisor presence Roman Kisel
2025-03-08 21:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-10 21:16 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-10 21:54 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 02/11] arm64: hyperv: Use SMCCC to detect " Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 21:17 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 03/11] Drivers: hv: Enable VTL mode for arm64 Roman Kisel
2025-03-08 21:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-10 17:35 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 21:01 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-10 21:20 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2025-03-10 22:18 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-12 18:33 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-12 20:25 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-12 21:21 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-13 5:10 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-12 20:31 ` Wei Liu
2025-03-12 21:30 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 04/11] Drivers: hv: Provide arch-neutral implementation of get_vtl() Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 13:44 ` Tianyu Lan
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 05/11] arm64: hyperv: Initialize the Virtual Trust Level field Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 23:07 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 06/11] arm64, x86: hyperv: Report the VTL the system boots in Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 0:31 ` Wei Liu
2025-03-10 16:42 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 16:53 ` Wei Liu
2025-03-10 17:20 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-07 22:02 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 07/11] dt-bindings: microsoft,vmbus: Add interrupts and DMA coherence Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 9:28 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-03-10 17:05 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 17:40 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-03-10 18:07 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 21:17 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-03-10 21:51 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-07 22:03 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 08/11] Drivers: hv: vmbus: Get the IRQ number from DeviceTree Roman Kisel
2025-03-08 21:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-10 17:36 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 23:09 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-13 18:44 ` Rob Herring
2025-03-13 18:46 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-07 22:03 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 09/11] Drivers: hv: vmbus: Introduce hv_get_vmbus_root_device() Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 13:41 ` Tianyu Lan
2025-03-10 17:09 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 23:12 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-07 22:03 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 10/11] ACPI: irq: Introduce acpi_get_gsi_dispatcher() Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 23:26 ` Michael Kelley
2025-03-07 22:03 ` [PATCH hyperv-next v5 11/11] PCI: hv: Get vPCI MSI IRQ domain from DeviceTree Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 16:41 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-03-10 17:15 ` Roman Kisel
2025-03-10 23:42 ` Michael Kelley
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