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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Don Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-pci <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	"Bryant G. Ly" <bryantly@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Bodong Wang <bodong@mellanox.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] uio/uio_pci_generic: Add SR-IOV support
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 20:10:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506971418.18322.47.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5c744ed0-2937-4460-fb8a-6e92fe5bfffa@redhat.com>

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On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 14:52 -0400, Don Dutile wrote:
> On 10/02/2017 08:35 AM, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > This would allow you to enable SR-IOV on a PF before its driver is
> > loaded, right? Even when that driver *is* going to need to perform
> > resource management for those VFs?
> > 
> > Would existing drivers cope with SR-IOV being enabled, and VFs being
> > assigned to guests, before they're loaded? If so then sure, let's do it
> > generically. But I'm not sure that's the case.
> > 
> No better than a uio driver/mgmt api that may have to configure a PF
> before a VF is enabled.

Conceptually, the current model is that you don't have SR-IOV until you
have a driver loaded for the physical function which can do any
necessary resource management.

That's *why* the generic "sriov_numvfs" interface in sysfs isn't
present until such a driver is loaded.

In the UIO case, *userspace* is responsible for the PF. So it's not an
"attack vector"; we let userspace do what it likes with the PF and that
includes enabling SR-IOV too.

Do we actually *disable* SR-IOV when a (UIO or in-kernel) driver for
the PF is unloaded? If not, that's the only "attack vector" I see — to
load a driver which permits SR-IOV to be enabled, and do so, and then
unload it and load a different driver which doesn't cope.

And each driver in that scenario can be either an in-kernel driver or
UIO+userspace; it doesn't matter either way. The patch I sent is just
following the *existing* model.

But sure, my question was intended to ask whether we want to *stick*
with that model. Given the answers I got, my own conclusion was that we
probably do...

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-02 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-27 12:59 [PATCH] uio/uio_pci_generic: Add SR-IOV support David Woodhouse
2017-09-27 22:00 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-09-27 22:20   ` David Woodhouse
2017-09-27 23:06     ` Alexander Duyck
2017-09-28 12:22       ` Don Dutile
2017-09-28 13:46         ` David Woodhouse
2017-09-28 15:05           ` Don Dutile
2017-09-28 15:52             ` David Woodhouse
2017-09-28 16:56               ` Don Dutile
2017-10-02 12:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2017-10-02 18:52                   ` Don Dutile
2017-10-02 19:10                     ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2017-10-02 22:02                       ` Don Dutile
2017-09-28 12:12   ` Don Dutile

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