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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Huang Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>, "Bjørn Mork" <bjorn@mork.no>,
	"huang ying" <huang.ying.caritas@gmail.com>,
	"Zheng Yan" <zheng.z.yan@intel.com>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linux PM list" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Do we need asynchronous pm_runtime_get()? (was: Re: bisected regression ...)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:31:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201207312231.19505.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201207292118.42547.rjw@sisk.pl>

On Sunday, July 29, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Sunday, July 29, 2012, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > 
> > > The difference is, if you use _put_sync(), you need to wait the extra 10 ms
> > > for local_pci_probe() to return (if the parent is actually suspended),
> > > although you might not need to wait for it if you used _put(), right?
> > 
> > Yes, that's the difference.  But who waits for local_pci_probe() to 
> > return?  :-)
> 
> pci_register_driver() might, but that's not a big deal.  Hot-plug might
> as well, though.
> 
> > > Which, to me, means that using _put_sync() may not be always better.
> > > It probably doesn't matter a lot, but then the workqueue overhead shouldn't
> > > matter a lot either.
> > 
> > It's that in the end, the extra overhead is pretty small.  For me
> > there's also an issue of style: If you do a synchronous get then it
> > looks odd not to do a synchronous put.  My feeling has always been that
> > the async routines are for use in non-process contexts, where the sync
> > routines can't be used.  Using them just to return a little more
> > quickly is a foreign idea.
> 
> I see. :-)
> 
> The reason for using sync get is quite obvious: we want to be able to access
> the device later on.  For sync put that's not so clear, though. There are cases
> when we definitely want to do it, like the failing .probe() in which we want to
> disable runtime PM next to the put, but usually it doesn't hurt (too much) to
> defer it IMO.

Now it occured to me that perhaps we don't need the current asynchronous
pm_runtime_get() at all.  The usefulness of it is quite questionable, because
either we want to resume the device immediately, for which pm_runtime_get_sync()
should be used, or we just want to bump up the usage counter, in which cases
pm_runtime_get_noresume() should always be sufficient.  I fail to see any
particularly compelling use case for pm_runtime_get() doing an asynchronous
resume at the moment, but perhaps that's just me.

However, I receive reports of people using pm_runtime_get() where they really
should use pm_runtime_get_sync(), so I wonder if we can simply rename
pm_runtime_get_sync() as pm_runtime_get() and drop the asynchronous version
altogether?

Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-31 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1207241312050.1164-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
     [not found] ` <87r4s0opck.fsf@nemi.mork.no>
2012-07-25  4:08   ` bisected regression, v3.5 -> next-20120724: PCI PM causes USB hotplug failure Bjørn Mork
2012-07-25  4:34     ` Huang Ying
2012-07-25  9:58       ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-25 13:30         ` huang ying
2012-07-25 13:58           ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-25 18:56             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-25 20:02             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-25 22:36               ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-26  2:38                 ` Huang Ying
2012-07-26  2:38               ` Huang Ying
2012-07-26  8:54             ` Huang Ying
2012-07-26 10:35               ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-26 11:02                 ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-26 12:04                   ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-26 15:03                 ` Alan Stern
2012-07-26 16:24                   ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-27  5:35                 ` Huang Ying
2012-07-27  9:11                   ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-30  3:15                     ` Huang Ying
2012-07-30  8:08                       ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-30 13:31                         ` huang ying
2012-07-30 16:57                           ` Bjørn Mork
2012-07-31  0:22                             ` Huang Ying
2012-07-30 14:19                       ` Alan Stern
2012-07-31  0:24                         ` Huang Ying
2012-07-31  3:18                         ` Huang Ying
2012-07-31 17:07                           ` Alan Stern
2012-07-27 15:03                   ` Alan Stern
2012-07-27 19:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-27 19:39                       ` Alan Stern
2012-07-27 19:54                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-28 16:12                           ` Alan Stern
2012-07-28 20:26                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-28 21:12                               ` Alan Stern
2012-07-29 13:55                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-29 14:55                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-07-29 19:18                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-31 20:31                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-07-31 21:05                                         ` Do we need asynchronous pm_runtime_get()? (was: Re: bisected regression ...) Alan Stern
2012-07-31 21:34                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-31 21:49                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-01 14:36                                             ` Alan Stern
2012-08-01 21:24                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-02 20:16                                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-08-02 21:26                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-03  2:20                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-08-03  3:37                                                       ` Ming Lei
2012-08-03 14:28                                                         ` Alan Stern
2012-08-04 19:47                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-04 20:25                                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-08-04 20:48                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-04 20:48                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-08-04 21:15                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-04 22:13                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-08-05 15:26                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-06 13:30                                                                       ` Ming Lei
2012-08-06 14:47                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2012-08-07  1:35                                                                           ` Ming Lei
2012-08-07 11:23                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-07 15:14                                                                               ` Ming Lei
2012-08-07 15:42                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-08-07 16:30                                                                                   ` Ming Lei
2012-08-07 20:57                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-07 20:45                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-08  2:02                                                                                   ` Ming Lei
2012-08-08 18:42                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-08-08 20:16                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-09  5:55                                                                                         ` Ming Lei
2012-08-09 10:46                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-09 10:55                                                                                             ` Ming Lei
2012-08-09 19:41                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-10  3:19                                                                                                 ` Ming Lei
2012-08-10 20:29                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-08 22:27                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-06 15:48                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-08-06 20:30                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-07 12:28                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-07 17:15                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2012-08-07 21:31                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-03 14:05                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-08-04 20:08                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-04 20:42                                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-08-04 20:59                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-08-04 19:35                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-29 20:12                                     ` bisected regression, v3.5 -> next-20120724: PCI PM causes USB hotplug failure Jassi Brar
2012-07-29 21:44                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-07-25 19:51           ` [PATCH] PCI / PM: Fix messages printed by acpi_pci_set_power_state() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-25 20:02             ` Alan Stern
2012-07-25 20:48               ` [PATCH][update] " Rafael J. Wysocki

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