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From: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>
To: Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Tomasz Nowicki <tn@semihalf.com>,
	Jayachandran C <jchandra@broadcom.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	rafael@kernel.org, Hanjun Guo <hanjun.guo@linaro.org>,
	Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>,
	jiang.liu@linux.intel.com, linaro-acpi@lists.linaro.org,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Liviu.Dudau@arm.com,
	David Daney <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	robert.richter@caviumnetworks.com, Suravee.Suthikulpanit@amd.com,
	msalter@redhat.com, Wangyijing <wangyijing@huawei.com>,
	Marcin Wojtas <mw@semihalf.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 08/13] PCI: generic, thunder: update to use generic ECAM API
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:41:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160429094108.GB3249@red-moon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <572284E3.6050209@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 05:47:15PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

[...]

> >>> In general, there's no reason we can't reassign BARs, whether we're
> >>> using DT, ACPI, or whatever.  In many cases, systems with ACPI also
> >>> assign all the BARs in firmware, and Linux doesn't reassign them
> >>> unless it needs to.  But that's just a coincidence.  There's no
> >>> requirement that Linux leave BARs as firmware programmed them.
> 
> There's no requirement, generally, that PCI compliant devices with ECAM
> can't be programmed with different base addresses. There's this PCI
> change called EA that is disjoint and some vendors have chosen to use
> it. We didn't catch that early in the definition of the SBSA for ARM,
> but just as an aside, I have already suggested we require future
> generations of chips to not use EA and only support writeable BARs (even
> for the decoders in the on-SoC platformish devices doing "PCI"). This
> isn't Cavium's fault - they did the right thing with the data at hand
> and nobody really considered the impact of PCI getting EA added. Again,
> that's something that will likely happen on x86 at some point (maybe it
> already is, I don't get any data about future Intel stuff).

PCI EA support in the kernel was implemented by Intel, for the records.

And I do not think anyone is questioning EA here (I mean implemented
through a real PCI capability, not config space quirks).

> On the rest of the quirks and hacks. Without going into too much detail,
> some "concerned citizens" are chatting with various folks to ensure that
> many of these common quirks aren't needed in future parts.
> 
> >> I'm thought I've seen systems in which the ACPI BIOS assumes that
> >> certain PCI devices never move around, because it pokes the registers
> >> from AML, and changing them would require never using the same device
> >> through ACPI. It's likely that this is against some standard, but that
> >> won't help you if you have to deal with the system anyway.
> 
> Right. This has happened, I think, and there you're no worse off on ARM
> than you would be on x86 if you had AML poking at something underneath.

Except that (if I read their code correctly - arch/x86/pci/i386.c,
see pcibios_resource_survey()) X86 claims the resources as
set-up by FW and thus does not reassign them, whereas on ARM we reassign
the whole PCI address space and we totally ignore the FW set-up (in DT
and ACPI alike), whether that's a problem or not time will tell,
as Bjorn mentioned I do not think that by the time FW hands over to
the OS there is any requirement whatsoever that prevents the OS
from reprogramming the PCI BARs set-up.

> > Yes, I'm pretty sure there are systems like that, e.g., I think SMM
> > code on some HP servers assumes the iLO address never changes.  I
> > think that is a firmware defect because I don't think there's any spec
> > that says firmware retains control over PCI BARs after handoff.  And
> > this particular case isn't really ACPI-specific.
> 
> If you substitute SMM for EL3 on ARM we're bound to eventually have the
> same kinds of things happening on some systems. It's just life.
> 
> > But as you say, we have to deal with these systems anyway, even if we
> > consider that behavior broken.  My proposal has been to add quirks to
> > mark those devices as IORESOURCE_PCI_FIXED, but I don't think anybody
> > has gotten around to doing that.

Well, that's going to be interesting. To me it is more something FW
should be able to communicate to the OS rather than a device specific
quirk, it is not that the device has fixed BARs, it is that the FW
expects them to be immutable (not saying that's the correct FW
behaviour - but it looks like a FW specific issue, not device specific).

I wonder whether this can be solved (at least in ACPI) through
a PCI BAR Target Operation Region (ACPI 6.0, 5.5.2.4.2), I will have
a look into that.

Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-29  9:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-15 17:06 [PATCH V6 00/13] Support for generic ACPI based PCI host controller Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 01/13] pci, acpi, x86, ia64: Move ACPI host bridge device companion assignment to core code Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 20:41   ` kbuild test robot
2016-04-26 22:36     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27 10:12       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-27  2:45   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-04  8:10     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-09 22:18       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-10 10:27         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-09 22:56   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-10  1:53     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-10 10:07       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 02/13] pci, acpi: Provide generic way to assign bus domain number Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-27  2:26   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27 11:17     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-27 16:44       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27 17:31         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-28  8:13           ` Liviu.Dudau
2016-04-28 15:12           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-28 15:34             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-29 22:50               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-02 12:43       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-02 13:26         ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-03 11:02           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-03 14:22             ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-03 14:55               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-27 11:59     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 03/13] x86, ia64: Include acpi_pci_{add|remove}_bus to the default pcibios_{add|remove}_bus implementation Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-27  2:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27 13:19     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 04/13] pci, of: Move the PCI I/O space management to PCI core code Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 05/13] acpi, pci: Support IO resources when parsing PCI host bridge resources Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-27  2:39   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27  5:36     ` Jon Masters
2016-04-28 21:53       ` Jon Masters
2016-04-27 14:26     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-27 15:10       ` Liviu.Dudau
2016-04-27 16:09         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-28 15:45       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 06/13] arm64, pci, acpi: ACPI support for legacy IRQs parsing and consolidation with DT code Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-27  2:44   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-27 11:46     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 07/13] PCI: Provide common functions for ECAM mapping Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 18:41   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-28 21:47   ` Bjorn Helgaas
     [not found]     ` <CAKc_7PUJQsUrCuOg1iafZ9amANk=E9eu0MrF=UOrVEVbseMz2w@mail.gmail.com>
2016-05-05  9:24       ` Jayachandran C
2016-05-05 10:38         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 08/13] PCI: generic, thunder: update to use generic ECAM API Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 18:39   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <CAKc_7PWFacFJZA2JpfM4RcRFVj0jyUE73HhhvmX0cKm07JGupg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-16  7:31       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <CAKc_7PWw5VaPxcOpWbonksx6k4W5fe9yO8wBfigXNRkFAYAYEg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-18 13:03           ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-18 14:44             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-18 19:31               ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-19 13:06                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-21  9:28                   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-21  9:36                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-21 10:08                       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-22 14:30                         ` Jon Masters
2016-04-22 16:00                           ` David Daney
2016-04-28 20:14                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-28 20:40                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-28 21:18                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-28 21:47                             ` Jon Masters
2016-04-29  9:41                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi [this message]
2016-04-19 21:40   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 09/13] pci, acpi: Support for ACPI based generic PCI host controller Tomasz Nowicki
     [not found]   ` <CAKc_7PXLbX+wxesGVKni7tkKPUbfo7AgfPNxA+Uc25ctOWRk=Q@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-21  9:06     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-22 14:40       ` Jon Masters
2016-04-23 15:23         ` Jon Masters
2016-04-28 21:48   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-04-29  8:37     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
     [not found]       ` <CAKc_7PUcjKkCrCTj9q26P8a+Tb3N_MffynnTXnJRacm6VNmFRw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-05-02 11:31         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-05-03  8:46         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-05-02 11:03     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 10/13] arm64, pci, acpi: Start using ACPI based PCI host controller driver for ARM64 Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 11/13] pci, acpi: Match PCI config space accessors against platfrom specific quirks Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-18 11:37   ` liudongdong (C)
2016-04-18 12:21     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 12/13] pci, pci-thunder-ecam: Add ACPI support for ThunderX ECAM Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-19 10:26   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-19 10:41     ` [Linaro-acpi] " G Gregory
2016-04-19 11:12       ` Graeme Gregory
2016-04-19 11:22         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-19 12:29           ` G Gregory
2016-04-15 17:06 ` [PATCH V6 13/13] pci, pci-thunder-pem: Add ACPI support for ThunderX PEM Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-15 18:19 ` [PATCH V6 00/13] Support for generic ACPI based PCI host controller Jon Masters
2016-04-17  9:23   ` Martinez Kristofer
     [not found]   ` <CAKc_7PVC6O4oh+bTmpLQRrhHrqGbaKB2hynecKOLmc5fBc-VVQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-18 13:33     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-18 14:38       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-04-18 15:26         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-04-17  4:18 ` Sinan Kaya
2016-04-22 16:08 ` Robert Richter
2016-04-22 20:46 ` Suravee Suthikulpanit
2016-04-25 17:23 ` Jeremy Linton
2016-04-26  9:07 ` liudongdong (C)
2016-04-28 21:27 ` [PATCH] acpi: pci: QDF2432 32 bit config space accessors Christopher Covington
2016-04-28 21:35   ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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