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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Bates <sbates@raithlin.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/28] Removing struct page from P2PDMA
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:09:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190628190931.GC3877@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <25a87c72-630b-e1f1-c858-9c8b417506fc@deltatee.com>

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 12:29:32PM -0600, Logan Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2019-06-28 11:29 a.m., Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 10:22:06AM -0600, Logan Gunthorpe wrote:
> > 
> >>> Why not?  If we have a 'bar info' structure that could have data
> >>> transfer op callbacks, infact, I think we might already have similar
> >>> callbacks for migrating to/from DEVICE_PRIVATE memory with DMA..
> >>
> >> Well it could, in theory be done, but It just seems wrong to setup and
> >> wait for more DMA requests while we are in mid-progress setting up
> >> another DMA request. Especially when the block layer has historically
> >> had issues with stack sizes. It's also possible you might have multiple
> >> bio_vec's that have to each do a migration and with a hook here they'd
> >> have to be done serially.
> > 
> > *shrug* this is just standard bounce buffering stuff...
> 
> I don't know of any "standard" bounce buffering stuff that uses random
> other device's DMA engines where appropriate.

IMHO, it is conceptually the same as memcpy.. And probably we will not
ever need such optimization in dma map. Other copy places might be
different at least we have the option.
 
> IMO the bouncing in the DMA layer isn't a desirable thing, it was a
> necessary addition to work around various legacy platform issues and
> have existing code still work correctly. 

Of course it is not desireable! But there are many situations where we
do not have the luxury to work around the HW limits in the caller, so
those callers either have to not do DMA or they have to open code
bounce buffering - both are wrong.

> > What I see as the question is how to layout the BIO. 
> > 
> > If we agree the bio should only have phys_addr_t then we need some
> > 'bar info' (ie at least the offset) in the dma map and some 'bar info'
> > (ie the DMA device) during the bio construciton.
> 
> Per my other email, it was phys_addr_t plus hints on how to map the
> memory (bus address, dma_map_resource, or regular). This requires
> exactly two flag bits in the bio_vec and no interval tree or hash table.
> I don't want to have to pass bar info, other hooks, or anything like
> that to the block layer.

This scheme makes the assumption that the dma mapping struct device is
all you need, and we never need to know the originating struct device
during dma map. This is clearly safe if the two devices are on the
same PCIe segment

However, I'd feel more comfortable about that assumption if we had
code to support the IOMMU case, and know for sure it doesn't require
more info :(

But I suppose it is also reasonable that only the IOMMU case would
have the expensive 'bar info' lookup or something.

Maybe you can hide these flags as some dma_map helper, then the
layering might be nicer:

  dma_map_set_bio_p2p_flags(bio, phys_addr, source dev, dest_dev) 

?

ie the choice of flag scheme to use is opaque to the DMA layer.

> > If we can spare 4-8 bits in the bio then I suggest a 'perfect hash
> > table'. Assign each registered P2P 'bar info' a small 4 bit id and
> > hash on that. It should be fast enough to not worry about the double
> > lookup.
> 
> This feels like it's just setting us up to run into nasty limits based
> on the number of bits we actually have. The number of bits in a bio_vec
> will always be a precious resource. If I have a server chassis that
> exist today with 24 NVMe devices, and each device has a CMB, I'm already
> using up 6 of those bits. Then we might have DEVICE_PRIVATE and other
> uses on top of that.

A hash is an alternative data structure to a interval tree that has
better scaling for small numbers of BARs, which I think is our
case.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-28 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-20 16:12 [RFC PATCH 00/28] Removing struct page from P2PDMA Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 01/28] block: Introduce DMA direct request type Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 02/28] block: Add dma_vec structure Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 03/28] block: Warn on mis-use of dma-direct bios Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 04/28] block: Never bounce " Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 17:23   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 18:38     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 05/28] block: Skip dma-direct bios in bio_integrity_prep() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 06/28] block: Support dma-direct bios in bio_advance_iter() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 07/28] block: Use dma_vec length in bio_cur_bytes() for dma-direct bios Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 08/28] block: Introduce dmavec_phys_mergeable() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 09/28] block: Introduce vec_gap_to_prev() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 10/28] block: Create generic vec_split_segs() from bvec_split_segs() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 11/28] block: Create blk_segment_split_ctx Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 12/28] block: Create helper for bvec_should_split() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 13/28] block: Generalize bvec_should_split() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 14/28] block: Support splitting dma-direct bios Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 15/28] block: Support counting dma-direct bio segments Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 16/28] block: Implement mapping dma-direct requests to SGs in blk_rq_map_sg() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 17/28] block: Introduce queue flag to indicate support for dma-direct bios Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 18/28] block: Introduce bio_add_dma_addr() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 19/28] nvme-pci: Support dma-direct bios Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 20/28] IB/core: Introduce API for initializing a RW ctx from a DMA address Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:59     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 17:11       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 18:24         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 21/28] nvmet: Split nvmet_bdev_execute_rw() into a helper function Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 22/28] nvmet: Use DMA addresses instead of struct pages for P2P Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 23/28] nvme-pci: Remove support for PCI_P2PDMA requests Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 24/28] block: Remove PCI_P2PDMA queue flag Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 25/28] IB/core: Remove P2PDMA mapping support in rdma_rw_ctx Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 26/28] PCI/P2PDMA: Remove SGL helpers Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 27/28] PCI/P2PDMA: Remove struct pages that back P2PDMA memory Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 28/28] memremap: Remove PCI P2PDMA page memory type Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 18:45 ` [RFC PATCH 00/28] Removing struct page from P2PDMA Dan Williams
2019-06-20 19:33   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 20:18     ` Dan Williams
2019-06-20 20:51       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-21 17:47       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-21 17:54         ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24  7:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-24 13:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 13:50         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-24 13:55           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 16:53             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 18:16               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 18:28                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 18:54                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 19:37                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-24 16:10         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-25  7:18           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-20 19:34   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-20 23:40     ` Dan Williams
2019-06-20 23:42       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-24  7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-24 16:07   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-25  7:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-25 15:57       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-25 17:01         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-25 19:54           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-26  6:57             ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-26 18:31               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-26 20:21                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-26 20:39                   ` Dan Williams
2019-06-26 20:54                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-26 20:55                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-26 20:45                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-26 21:00                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-26 21:18                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-27  6:32                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-27 16:09                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-27 16:35                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-27 16:49                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-28  4:57                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-28 16:22                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-28 17:29                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-28 18:29                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-28 19:09                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-06-28 19:35                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-07-02 22:45                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-02 22:52                                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-27  9:08                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-27 16:30                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-27 17:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-27 18:00                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-28 13:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-28 15:54                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-06-27  9:01                 ` Christoph Hellwig

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