From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>
Cc: <bhelgaas@google.com>, <jgg@nvidia.com>, <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <kuba@kernel.org>, <leonro@nvidia.com>,
<kwankhede@nvidia.com>, <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
<maorg@nvidia.com>, <ashok.raj@intel.com>, <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
<shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 15/15] vfio: Extend the device migration protocol with PRE_COPY
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:15:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220217101554.26f05eb1.alex.williamson@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220207172216.206415-16-yishaih@nvidia.com>
On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:22:16 +0200
Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com> wrote:
> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
>
> The optional PRE_COPY states open the saving data transfer FD before
> reaching STOP_COPY and allows the device to dirty track internal state
> changes with the general idea to reduce the volume of data transferred
> in the STOP_COPY stage.
>
> While in PRE_COPY the device remains RUNNING, but the saving FD is open.
>
> Only if the device also supports RUNNING_P2P can it support PRE_COPY_P2P,
> which halts P2P transfers while continuing the saving FD.
>
> PRE_COPY, with P2P support, requires the driver to implement 7 new arcs
> and exists as an optional FSM branch between RUNNING and STOP_COPY:
> RUNNING -> PRE_COPY -> PRE_COPY_P2P -> STOP_COPY
>
> A new ioctl VFIO_DEVICE_MIG_PRECOPY is provided to allow userspace to
> query the progress of the precopy operation in the driver with the idea it
> will judge to move to STOP_COPY at least once the initial data set is
> transferred, and possibly after the dirty size has shrunk appropriately.
>
> We think there may also be merit in future extensions to the
> VFIO_DEVICE_MIG_PRECOPY ioctl to also command the device to throttle the
> rate it generates internal dirty state.
>
> Compared to the v1 clarification, STOP_COPY -> PRE_COPY is made optional
> and to be defined in future. While making the whole PRE_COPY feature
> optional eliminates the concern from mlx5, this is still a complicated arc
> to implement and seems prudent to leave it closed until a proper use case
> is developed. We also split the pending_bytes report into the initial and
> sustaining values, and define the protocol to get an event via poll() for
> new dirty data during PRE_COPY.
I feel obligated to ask, is PRE_COPY support essentially RFC at this
point since we have no proposed in-kernel users?
It seems like we're winding down comments on the remainder of the
series and I feel ok with where it's headed and the options we have
available for future extensions. Pre-copy seems like an important gap
to fill and I think this patch shows that a future extension could
allow it, but with the scrutiny not to add unused code to the kernel,
I'm not sure there's a valid justification to add it now. Thanks,
Alex
PS - Why is this a stand-alone ioctl rather than a DEVICE_FEATURE?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-02-17 17:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-07 17:22 [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 00/15] Add mlx5 live migration driver and v2 migration protocol Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 01/15] PCI/IOV: Add pci_iov_vf_id() to get VF index Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 02/15] net/mlx5: Reuse exported virtfn index function call Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 03/15] net/mlx5: Disable SRIOV before PF removal Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 04/15] PCI/IOV: Add pci_iov_get_pf_drvdata() to allow VF reaching the drvdata of a PF Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 05/15] net/mlx5: Expose APIs to get/put the mlx5 core device Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 06/15] net/mlx5: Introduce migration bits and structures Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 07/15] vfio: Have the core code decode the VFIO_DEVICE_FEATURE ioctl Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 08/15] vfio: Define device migration protocol v2 Yishai Hadas
2022-02-09 0:07 ` Alex Williamson
2022-02-09 2:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-15 10:41 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-15 16:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-15 23:32 ` Alex Williamson
2022-02-16 1:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-16 3:17 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-16 12:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-17 2:29 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-15 10:58 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-15 13:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-15 8:04 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-15 15:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-16 3:04 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 09/15] vfio: Extend the device migration protocol with RUNNING_P2P Yishai Hadas
2022-02-15 10:18 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-15 15:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-16 2:52 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-16 12:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 10/15] vfio: Remove migration protocol v1 documentation Yishai Hadas
2022-02-11 11:03 ` Cornelia Huck
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 11/15] vfio/mlx5: Expose migration commands over mlx5 device Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 12/15] vfio/mlx5: Implement vfio_pci driver for mlx5 devices Yishai Hadas
2022-02-09 0:07 ` Alex Williamson
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 13/15] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_core_aer_err_detected() Yishai Hadas
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 14/15] vfio/mlx5: Use its own PCI reset_done error handler Yishai Hadas
2022-02-09 0:08 ` Alex Williamson
2022-02-09 2:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-10 16:48 ` Alex Williamson
2022-02-10 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-07 17:22 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 15/15] vfio: Extend the device migration protocol with PRE_COPY Yishai Hadas
2022-02-17 17:15 ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2022-02-18 0:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-18 8:01 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-18 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-22 1:43 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-22 15:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-23 0:40 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-23 0:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-23 1:46 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-02-18 8:11 ` [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 00/15] Add mlx5 live migration driver and v2 migration protocol Tarun Gupta (SW-GPU)
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