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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Petr Machata <petrm@nvidia.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Amit Cohen <amcohen@nvidia.com>,
	mlxsw@nvidia.com, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 6/6] mlxsw: pci: Add support for new reset flow
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 12:49:58 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230330124958.15a34c3d.alex.williamson@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCVHtk/wqTAR4Ejd@shredder>

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:26:30 +0300
Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 11:10:01AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > I think we don't have it because it's unclear how it's actually
> > different from a secondary bus reset from the bridge control register,
> > which is what "bus" would do when selected for the example above.  Per
> > the spec, both must cause a hot reset.  It seems this device needs a
> > significantly longer delay though.  
> 
> Assuming you are referring to the 2ms sleep in
> pci_reset_secondary_bus(), then yes. In our case, after disabling the
> link on the downstream port we need to wait for 500ms before enabling
> it.
> 
> > Note that hot resets can be generated by a userspace driver with
> > ownership of the device and will make use of the pci-core reset
> > mechanisms.  Therefore if there is not a device specific reset, we'll
> > use the standard delays and the device ought not to get itself wedged
> > if the link becomes active at an unexpected point relative to a
> > firmware update.  This might be a point in favor of a device specific
> > reset solution in pci-core.  Thanks,  
> 
> I assume you referring to something like this:
> 
> # echo 1 > /sys/class/pci_bus/0000:03/device/0000:03:00.0/reset
> 
> Doesn't seem to have any effect (network ports remain up, at least).
> Anyway, this device is completely managed by the kernel, not a user
> space driver. I'm not aware of anyone using this method to reset the
> device.

The pci-sysfs reset attribute is only meant to reset the linked device,
so if this is a single function device then it might be accessing bus
reset, but it also might be using FLR or PM reset.  There's a
reset_method attribute to determine and select.

In any case, if the device is unaffected, that suggests we're dealing
with a device that doesn't comply with PCIe reset standards, which
might suggests it needs a device specific reset or to flag broken reset
methods regardless.

Note that QEMU is a vfio-pci userspace driver, so assigning the device
to a VM, where kernel drivers in the guest are managing the device is a
use case of userspace drivers which should have a functional reset
mechanism to avoid data leakage between userspace sessions.
 
> If I understand Bjorn and you correctly, we have two options:
> 
> 1. Keep the current implementation inside the driver.
> 
> 2. Call __pci_reset_function_locked() from the driver and move the link
> toggling to drivers/pci/quirks.c as a "device_specific" method.
> 
> Personally, I don't see any benefit in 2, but we can try to implement
> it, see if it even works and then decide.

The second option enables use cases like above, where the PCI-core can
perform an effective reset of the device rather than embedding that
into a specific driver.  Even if not intended as a primary use case,
it's a more complete solution and avoids potentially unhappy users that
assume such use cases are available.  Thanks,

Alex


  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-30 18:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1679502371.git.petrm@nvidia.com>
     [not found] ` <c61d07469ecf5d3053442e24d4d050405f466b76.1679502371.git.petrm@nvidia.com>
2023-03-23  9:13   ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] mlxsw: pci: Add support for new reset flow Petr Machata
2023-03-23 16:51   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-03-26 13:53     ` Ido Schimmel
2023-03-29 16:01       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-03-29 17:10         ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-30  8:26           ` Ido Schimmel
2023-03-30 18:49             ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2023-04-13  8:10               ` Ido Schimmel
2023-04-13 15:26                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-13 10:26         ` Lukas Wunner

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