From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51BDC41513 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229835AbjGWUjG (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:39:06 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39242 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229468AbjGWUjF (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:39:05 -0400 Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED23E49; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 13:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3613200035; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:39:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kroah.com; h=cc :cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1690144740; x=1690231140; bh=NV 7k/N80dOAADhSM9J12JfLW++A3+GdGL/V6Zz2j2C0=; b=fPWTBoXpkB56qtTjok 3e3s5L7XCe4y1hhcsKbHkaSp8TjVhA5i0Ux98l6IEZ+1zXwO4B6IoneOs+S43Oem 6wn+W696K9xYJLCpMybZ85DRMPeZBnl3tLrN5k69WFOwgeYiVab1IegVfqe0abci jKhF653DQsnurP3nTp0gWCIGZ4HiaSR5aiAAhd33Tr1+Uin2S0VhZwVNQ9L4QU6R LHbFLyPw/zcLT0Q9i/7Nljs2E5wFkcFjomg5ILZ4uuAZlbwb/t0Pj2aG9jnFi7eL /cW2jhziimDGAwnUjp7c7tqRfuZ7C99eLo97AtRR5ZksCsOstaMn31cNJ/QqaJd2 CVEA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1690144740; x=1690231140; bh=NV7k/N80dOAAD hSM9J12JfLW++A3+GdGL/V6Zz2j2C0=; b=KBQkDcB3o5zDygvA1JjP0lJaHT06m VxNPkhZbYVpT2uIAzH5j2zBTFnzrQyTd4i966To6VRPu0TW3wFrdzqqMgivDuFIx UMAI/AEwcez6rSAr3CJ8jj81XdQFnaRSUhIP7OJP4vZ+Qd0GotKyKzqENfMPAh07 q9Q14NK0ohdp6uNE5hhen/NJ/TxnJdjANiKWwrxBMksrXTINbSZSEjNELRZbf7TU YeeAm1G/jbK5ONF3fcmaQLlLPZFb5NgGtafzo3TZcapvuIPWzjQku15zrI/Jjjx9 W9PT6Lf/h5mrp5z/e+ZiKwjQ9Q4FYiHchfjouDhYJFAsyxdrJhW74ziiQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedrheeigdduhedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkfhggtggujgesthdtredttddtvdenucfhrhhomhepifhrvghg ucfmjfcuoehgrhgvgheskhhrohgrhhdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepheegvd evvdeljeeugfdtudduhfekledtiefhveejkeejuefhtdeufefhgfehkeetnecuvehluhhs thgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepghhrvghgsehkrhhorg hhrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i787e41f1:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:38:56 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Alan Stern Cc: Wireless mailing list , USB mailing list , PCI mailing list Subject: Re: Nomenclature for USB-connected WiFi devices Message-ID: <2023072345-snowboard-isolated-e390@gregkh> References: <8ce5288f-9ed2-4df9-a0a2-bb46941089fb@rowland.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8ce5288f-9ed2-4df9-a0a2-bb46941089fb@rowland.harvard.edu> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:04:50PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote: > If you've got a WiFi device that connects to the host computer via USB, > do you refer to it as a "wireless USB device" or as a "USB wireless > device"? A "USB wifi device", just like the "PCI wifi device" in my desktop. Or "USB keyboard", or "USB mouse", or "USB thermometer", etc. > The second would seem to be more logical, by analogy with things like a > USB mouse or a USB thumbdrive -- we don't say "mouse USB device" or > "thumbdrive USB device"! Exactly. > Furthermore, the first ("Wireless USB") is in fact the name of a defunct > specification for an Ultra-WideBand interface that would run the USB > communication protocol over a wireless connection. Exactly, let's not get things confused with that obsolete and dead technology please. > Nevertheless there are quite a few places in the kernel source that use > "wireless USB" where they really mean "USB wireless". (A few of them > are gray cases, like "Sierra Wireless USB-to-WWAN", although here the > word "Wireless" evidently is redundant -- maybe it is part of a brand > name?) > > Would there be any objection to a patch that does a wholesale conversion > from "wireless USB" to "USB wireless"? I would be glad to take such a patch. > PS: Similar reasoning applies to the term "wireless PCIe device", > although here the number of offenders is smaller. Hah, I should have read the whole email :) thanks, greg k-h