From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B21AE810DA for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231378AbjI0Msk (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Sep 2023 08:48:40 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:60952 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231689AbjI0Msj (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Sep 2023 08:48:39 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 62 seconds by postgrey-1.37 at lindbergh.monkeyblade.net; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:48:38 PDT Received: from mgamail.intel.com (mgamail.intel.com [198.175.65.9]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F81EC0 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:48:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=intel.com; i=@intel.com; q=dns/txt; s=Intel; t=1695818918; x=1727354918; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=j/UCa+XWknrbavQHm577Zgs4yC9pEsv4Gt8Ci9kyH7M=; b=ZOTx4z1kogoXq1VDc/ZX6dBE71O0ltFaUVO9wrqL1SGr7FcuF4WOOMsY UzC03k8ZPpZIwWbDptXL767du+yQmoETCiOQ/zRMk6J8ZlZAJqa0zrulv 3gMm7rVYUzXCQE2wYLadhfp2RxxQYq+1EDs+RAvSwoagJWeC3TfP3GA0r GBzXhZOI2IWdyXjk2XVT05v659woggV3wXm4CgAsDdJL/vyYyuv8aGPr5 sYe0X0MZ6ntbeT3lXpipdFJqZVHx94salvCrP5p540ToSyNxnkn1pIB8G O94bPcC5qjfsjs3On9a9btwogvtrkySHhxhdEPgsraAm6Vp+E3crXHNPG A==; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6600,9927,10846"; a="411951" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.03,181,1694761200"; d="scan'208";a="411951" Received: from orsmga005.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.41]) by orvoesa101.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 27 Sep 2023 05:47:36 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6600,9927,10846"; a="922752971" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.03,181,1694761200"; d="scan'208";a="922752971" Received: from black.fi.intel.com ([10.237.72.28]) by orsmga005.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 27 Sep 2023 05:47:33 -0700 Received: by black.fi.intel.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5756D13AB; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 15:47:32 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 15:47:32 +0300 From: Mika Westerberg To: Bjorn Helgaas Cc: Lukas Wunner , Kamil Paral , linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, regressions@lists.linux.dev, bhelgaas@google.com, chris.chiu@canonical.com Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] resume with a Thunderbolt dock broke with commit e8b908146d44 "PCI/PM: Increase wait time after resume" Message-ID: <20230927124732.GI3208943@black.fi.intel.com> References: <20230927051602.GX3208943@black.fi.intel.com> <20230927115703.GA445616@bhelgaas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230927115703.GA445616@bhelgaas> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 06:57:03AM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 08:16:02AM +0300, Mika Westerberg wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:55:30PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 04:19:30PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 08:48:41AM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > > > Now pciehp thinks the slot is occupied and the link is up, so we > > > > > re-enumerate the hierarchy. Is this because thunderbolt did something > > > > > to 06:00.0 that made the link from 05:01.0 come up? > > > > > > > > PCIe TLPs are encapsulated into Thunderbolt packets and transmitted > > > > alongside DisplayPort and other data over the same physical link. > > > > > > > > For this to work, PCIe tunnels need to be set up between the Thunderbolt > > > > host controller and attached devices. Once a tunnel is established, > > > > the PCIe link magically goes up and TLPs can be transmitted. > > > > > > > > There are two ways to establish those tunnels: > > > > > > > > 1/ By a firmware in the Thunderbolt host controller. > > > > (firmware or "internal" connection manager, drivers/thunderbolt/icm.c) > > > > > > > > 2/ Natively by the kernel. > > > > (software connection manager) > > > > > > > > I'm assuming that the laptop in question exclusively uses the firmware > > > > connection manager, hence the kernel is reliant on that firmware to > > > > establish tunnels and can't really do anything if it fails to do so. > > > > > > Thanks for the background; that improves my meager understanding a > > > lot. > > > > > > Since this seems to be a firmware issue, it does sound like this > > > laptop uses a firmware connection manager. But there still seems to > > > be some kernel connection because pre-e8b908146d44, the link came up > > > in <5 seconds, and after the minor e8b908146d44 change, it takes >60 > > > seconds. > > > > In both cases (with or without) the commit what happens is that after > > resume is finished the firmware connection manager notices the > > connection, announces it to the Thunderbolt driver that exposes it to > > the userspace where boltd re-authorizes the device. This brings up the > > PCIe tunnel again and things get working. > > > > (What is expected to happen is that during the resume the firmware > > connection manager re-connects the PCIe tunnel.) > > > > This took previously the ~5s before resume is complete so that the above > > steps can happen where as after the commit it got delayed more up to the > > arbitrary ~60s because we started to use that with the commit > > e8b908146d44 (PCIE_RESET_READY_POLL_MS). > > Why does the kernel delay affect the timing of when the firmware > connection manager notices the connection? It seems like Linux waits > for the timeout, then Linux does something that kicks the firmware > connection manager. That's why I asked about this sequence: > > [ 118.985530] pcieport 0000:05:01.0: Data Link Layer Link Active not set in 1000 msec > [ 190.090902] pcieport 0000:05:01.0: pciehp: Slot(1): Card not present > [ 191.754347] thunderbolt 0000:06:00.0: 1: DROM version: 1 > [ 191.762638] thunderbolt 0-1: new device found, vendor=0x108 device=0x1630 > [ 191.762641] thunderbolt 0-1: Lenovo ThinkPad Thunderbolt 3 Dock > [ 191.943506] pcieport 0000:05:01.0: pciehp: Slot(1): Card present > > where we wait for the timeout, decide the device is gone, remove > everything, and then the thunderbolt driver does something, and we > notice the device is magically back. Well the delay delays the whole resume and this includes Thunderbolt driver resume too, and userspace (where the bolt daemon authorizes the device again). > > I would also try to change all the BIOS settings back to defaults, see > > that it works (it is probably in "user" security level then), then > > switch back to "secure" (only change this one option) and try if it now > > works. It could be that some setting just did not get commited properly. > > If this might lead to fixing a Linux defect, I'm all for this kind of > experimentation. But if it only leads to understanding a firmware > defect better or figuring out better advice to users, I'm not, because > I don't want to address this with a release note. This is not a Linux defect. The firmware is expected to create that tunnel so regardless of the "delay" the devices are already back. This is not happening.