From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com (mail-pf1-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57D161366; Mon, 1 Jul 2024 20:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=209.85.210.181 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1719866897; cv=none; b=Z+8apEA41mPg0aflovSRbgJ6dxGGdheuw89hKFT4AD/WTy8xPktvviavgzBmP8H8PLnbdR0pItGsN28/XN2UyHN+J03XDs8aJbVwObA6b/DTL1k2b7QVjNf8ANxih9dLOKppgbZDWnZ2E2WaP+Oee7jPNzB7jKBAoh7vdhE5rrw= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1719866897; c=relaxed/simple; bh=VYRfq/MfPWpVdVqHlzAD+N4k+na090ubX/RfH4sq8MA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=MGbmHXIOKMawInty+7+0CvQ5Betr4aEt7smmzsRFx70ltjCmIbd88Z5YPj6R8L0d46VLIEF25IKW4CapHEdQ91hQNlV+NHq7xEeQzW6ilqg40A+dS6Y21n+Ch0RA4k8acKVHCh8gdt8KDRLx0Wsn7PbcpfHQsXITSsQ+jbWoFQQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com; arc=none smtp.client-ip=209.85.210.181 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-70671ecd334so2668896b3a.0; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719866896; x=1720471696; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=y+vwAhe52gi/wKblVVP4vT7KtjZ4YJC+9NjnxhSRlso=; b=UMBqdKDh85g2y17RgK5Am31hyz65kMBop/oNsFVIpKSnldjoTO8S6BSY30TwEde70g D4yWsQ7EJGXz4eQkopBWWqv0FrrYKgm2VW3xdaFn400PMS6hoAvHKrKCU+E8pqXUDl8g BLocGWSxfBP5WBlOkd0XagXaBFvqsCJmlUwzrwCPHkmucPcx/HDhgfLmyvixV0Gwj7Ls Mki5L48+bQoMD59hHuo4uEV/9sS+zNyS+w4YhNJ+n42zVJepy5IVYnfscZt/CnmOD+kw zBmxhyjfISq13nDYWmsN5wiaVoOxEMPQcrdx2t6Gn07EublKqPmz3MeMDRJADs6Vgp8L Ihpw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXOTdt9Dw1EEEaJNdEkPllRDzARBuYem1EGrvXZ/GESLrTDxm/yJOtgQWQGG7gJkquRWCDZmVvEF63m2PuFV7tKC5xTc8PFEpzJ8nPdDHNq7w1Wj0q+Mf6v/eTGvSUhfWx7kGbsCfeCy4l6PJY= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywb/DNp/cwvEq7xi2nKW3AM3kaG626zczG0Lje2dsHXgW91vC0y YRRqumFsHbjGYjdA9wbscA5uKbRXUDJ1eVWE4AFhOaC8hxdqOsYm X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEMoV0z6QhZSQ4QNBFHFMHODQfwxB9Z0Duq619IJLwA1b4El13BrVTwj72uTz3W09XZ/1qErQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:b8b:b0:6f8:e1c0:472f with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-70aaad3ae0dmr8801123b3a.8.1719866895509; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fpd11144dd.ap.nuro.jp. [209.17.68.221]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-70803ecfb09sm6974228b3a.136.2024.07.01.13.48.14 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 01 Jul 2024 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 05:48:13 +0900 From: Krzysztof =?utf-8?Q?Wilczy=C5=84ski?= To: Yoshihiro Shimoda Cc: Bjorn Helgaas , "lpieralisi@kernel.org" , "robh@kernel.org" , "bhelgaas@google.com" , "jingoohan1@gmail.com" , "mani@kernel.org" , "marek.vasut+renesas@gmail.com" , "linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/5] PCI: rcar-gen4: Add R-Car V4H support Message-ID: <20240701204813.GC412915@rocinante> References: <20240629200650.GD2249818@rocinante> <20240629204620.GA1482128@bhelgaas> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Hello, [...] > > > [...] > > > > About the firmware binary, please refer to the following patch > > > > descirption: > > > > PCI: rcar-gen4: Add support for r8a779g0 > > > > > > This quite a sad state of affairs, and usually would I oppose including > > > drivers that rely on closed proprietary firmware blobs to operate. That > > > said, Renesas is not really setting any precedent here, so we will live > > > with this. > > > > What are the existing similar situations? Just for curiosity, I'd > > like to know what precedent we are relying on here. > > Wolfram mentioned it on previous email thread [1]. > > [1] > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/53sfkav45djcaapqkzsps6ofsinf5lnxbhrjvgsevt3w6qcms6@e2vptwrj645q/ Another example could be the Marvell's (formerly Aquantia) "Atlantic" network cards family, which requires a custom firmware blob that wasn't readily or freely distributed. The firmware files were never added to the linux-firmware repository. ... unless things have changes since I looked some time ago. Krzysztof