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From: Andreas Herrmann <aherrmann@suse.de>
To: Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:59:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241025075953.GA3559@alberich> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f203b14-be13-4eef-bcb1-743dd9e9e9bd@app.fastmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 05:58:45PM +0100, Jiaxun Yang wrote:
> 
> 
> 在2024年10月24日十月 下午5:27,James Bottomley写道:
> > On Thu, 2024-10-24 at 16:59 +0100, Jiaxun Yang wrote:
> [...]
> 
> Hi James,
> 
> >
> > It's Linux, so no official capacity at all.  However, I am expressing
> > the views of a number of people I talked to but it's not fair of me to
> > name them.
> 
> Fair enough, I was hoping that it's from Linux Foundation but it's still
> good news to me that it do represent some respectful individuals.
> 
> >
> [...]
> >> How should we handle it?
> >
> > A big chunk of the reason it's taken so long just to get the above is
> > that the Lawyers (of which I'm not one) are still discussing the
> > specifics and will produce a much longer policy document later, so they
> > don't want to be drawn into questions like this.  However, my non-
> > legal-advice rule of thumb that I'm applying until I hear otherwise is
> > not on the SDN list, not a problem.
> 
> Thank you for sharing your insights. I'm looking forward to the document.

+1

> While I remain quite upset about how things were handled, your message has
> helped restore some of my confidence in the community.

+1

> I agree with Peter Cai's earlier comment that steps should be taken to address
> the harm caused by the initial reckless actions, particularly to those who were
> humiliated.

+1

> It is also important to put measures in place to prevent such drama from recurring.
> A formal procedure for handling urgent compliance requests may be a sensible step
> forward.

+1

> I hold our community in high regard and would be heartbreaking to see the reputation
> of the Linux Kernel undermined in such an unfortunate manner. I would appreciate it
> if you could convey those thoughts to the relevant individuals.

+1

-- 
Regards,
Andreas

PS: What people also tend to forget. No matter how worse it gets in
world affairs there always will come a time after a conflict. And
people with brains should look forward to such times and how they can
continue to work together then.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-25  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-24  4:27 linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer Serge Semin
2024-10-24  6:55 ` Reimar Döffinger
2024-10-24  7:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2024-10-24 11:01 ` Jiaxun Yang
2024-10-24 14:50 ` James Bottomley
2024-10-24 15:59   ` Jiaxun Yang
2024-10-24 16:18     ` Dragan Milivojević
2024-10-24 16:27     ` James Bottomley
2024-10-24 16:58       ` Jiaxun Yang
2024-10-25  7:59         ` Andreas Herrmann [this message]
2024-10-24 16:30   ` Peter Cai
2024-10-24 17:18     ` Dragan Milivojević
2024-10-24 17:59       ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-10-24 19:46         ` Dragan Milivojević
2024-10-25 13:12           ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-10-30 14:40           ` metux
     [not found]       ` <6d37175d-1b0b-4b82-80f0-c5b4e61badbf@metux.net>
     [not found]         ` <2f12ee89-af9f-4af1-8ec8-ede1d5256592@metux.net>
     [not found]           ` <CALtW_agiJyX3sTaBKgwPF7X920=+fFrRgXMPt4x_GCDOMfZy_w@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CALtW_aimN531aZKSSG4hVLeQDk6bUoujopkhCh57xsaxfJrYgA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-10-30 13:48               ` Kernel maintainer *CENSORED* on LKML [WAS: linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer] metux
2024-10-30 14:54                 ` Goran
     [not found]                 ` <CALtW_ah07h7h6eNHHGNNeKzVkNi7hVOG3q4Pv9DNacpXgve5Sw@mail.gmail.com>
2024-10-30 18:32                   ` metux
2024-10-30 15:05           ` metux
2024-10-24 17:33     ` linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer Jiaxun Yang
2024-10-24 16:56   ` Hantong Chen
2024-10-24 17:35     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-10-24 18:19       ` Hantong Chen
2024-10-24 19:37         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-10-24 20:01           ` Dragan Milivojević
     [not found]         ` <e3559794-ab4a-48f2-8c28-52ef46258051@metux.net>
2024-10-30 15:02           ` Maintainers now blocked from kernel.org mail access [WAS Re: linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer] metux
     [not found]       ` <cc264780-0c16-4209-8736-ada156994eaa@metux.net>
2024-10-25 15:18         ` linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer Theodore Ts'o
2024-10-24 18:52 ` Oleksiy Protas
2024-10-24 19:51   ` Dragan Milivojević
2024-10-25  3:01     ` Oleksiy Protas
2024-10-25 13:19       ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-10-25 16:10         ` Oleksiy Protas
2024-10-25  6:48 ` Khalil Fazal
2024-10-30  1:49 ` Yanteng Si

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