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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Manivannan Sadhasivam <manivannan.sadhasivam@linaro.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	kbusch@kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk, sagi@grimberg.me,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, andersson@kernel.org,
	konradybcio@kernel.org, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nvme-pci: Shutdown the device if D3Cold is allowed by the user
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:13:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241212151354.GA7708@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFrxEjHFB6B2r7JbryYY6=E4CxX_xTmLDqO6+26E+ULz6A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 01:49:15PM +0100, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> Right. This seems to somewhat work for ACPI types of systems, because
> ACPI is controlling the low power state for all the devices. Based on
> the requested system wide low power state, ACPI can then decide to
> call pm_set_suspend_via_firmware() or not.
> 
> Still there is a problem with this for ACPI too.
> 
> How does ACPI know whether it's actually a good idea to keep the NVMe
> storage powered in s2idle (ACPI calls pm_set_suspend_via_firmware()
> only for S2R and S2disk!?)? Especially when my laptop only supports
> s2idle and that's what I will use when I close the lid. In this way,
> the NMVe storage will certainly contribute to draining the battery,
> especially when I won't be using my laptop for a couple of days.
> 
> In my opinion, we need a better approach that is both flexible and
> that dynamically adjusts based upon the use case.

Agreed.  I'd be happy to work with the PM maintainers to do this,
but I don't really know enough about the PM core to drive it
(as the reply from Rafael to my mail makes pretty clear :))


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-12 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-18  8:23 [PATCH] nvme-pci: Shutdown the device if D3Cold is allowed by the user Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-11-18 12:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-18 14:58   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-11-22 22:20 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-11-23  9:01   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-11-26 17:11     ` Bjorn Andersson
2024-11-27  5:49       ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-05 23:29     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-12-06  1:49       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-12-09 13:36         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-09 14:38           ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-12  5:59             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 12:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-12 12:49                 ` Ulf Hansson
2024-12-12 15:13                   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-12-13 14:35                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-14  6:30                       ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-16 16:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-16 16:42                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-16 16:48                             ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-16 17:28                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-16 17:39                                 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-16 19:10                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-20 15:15                             ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-12-21  3:38                               ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-21 11:17                                 ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-12-26 16:22                                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-01-03  7:28                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-03 11:48                                 ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-12-16 16:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-16 17:11                           ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-16 17:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-16 17:52                               ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-16 19:34                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-16 19:40                                   ` Keith Busch
2024-12-16 19:43                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-17  5:26                                   ` manivannan.sadhasivam
2024-12-17 19:45                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-19  8:02                                       ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-19 12:45                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-19 16:41                                           ` Ulf Hansson
2024-12-19 18:28                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-01-03  7:26                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-19  6:30                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-19  8:03                                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-09 14:43         ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2024-12-09 14:57       ` Manivannan Sadhasivam

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