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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: dan.j.williams@intel.com
Cc: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	aik@amd.com, lukas@wunner.de, Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 15:42:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250805184219.GZ26511@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <68924d18a68d4_55f091004d@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>

On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 11:27:36AM -0700, dan.j.williams@intel.com wrote:
> > > Clearing any of the following bits causes the TDI hosted
> > > by the Function to transition to ERROR:
> > > 
> > > • Memory Space Enable
> > > • Bus Master Enable
> > 
> > Oh that's nice, yeah!
> 
> That is useful, but an unmodified PCI driver is going to make separate
> calls to pci_set_master() and pci_enable_device() so it should still be
> the case that those need to be trapped out of the concern that
> writing back zero for a read-modify-write also trips the error state on
> some device that fails the Robustness Principle.

I hope we don't RMW BME and MSE in some weird way like that :(
 
> > Here is where I feel the VMM should be trapping this and NOPing it, or
> > failing that the guest PCI Core should NOP it.
> 
> At this point (vfio shutdown path) the VMM is committed stopping guest
> operations with the device. So ok not to not NOP in this specific path,
> right?

What I said in my other mail was the the T=1 state should have nothing
to do with driver binding. So unbinding vfio should leave the device
in the RUN state just fine.

> > With the ideal version being the TSM and VMM would be able to block
> > the iommu as a functional stand in for BME.
> 
> The TSM block for BME is the LOCKED or ERROR state. That would be in
> conflict with the proposal that the device stays in the RUN state on
> guest driver unbind.

This is a different thing. Leaving RUN says the OS (especially
userspace) does not trust the device.

Disabling DMA, on explict trusted request from the cVM, is entirely
fine to do inside the T=1 state. PCI made it so the only way to do
this is with the IOMMU, oh well, so be it.

> I feel like either the device stays in RUN state and BME leaks, or the
> device is returned to LOCKED on driver unbind. 

Stay in RUN is my vote. I can't really defend the other choice from a
linux driver model perspective.

> Otherwise a functional stand-in for BME that also keeps the device
> in RUN state feels like a TSM feature request for a "RUN but
> BLOCKED" state.

Yes, and probably not necessary, more of a defence against bugs in
depth kind of request. For Linux we would like it if the device can be
in RUN and have DMA blocked off during all times when no driver is
attached.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-05 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-28 13:51 [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/38] tsm: Add tsm_bind/unbind helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/38] tsm: Move tsm core outside the host directory Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/38] tsm: Move dsm_dev from pci_tdi to pci_tsm Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 21:52   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-08-05  9:24     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/38] tsm: Support DMA Allocation from private memory Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:33   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:23     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:33       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 10:09         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-07-31 12:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:48             ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-07-31 16:44               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01  9:30                 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-08-01 14:53                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-02  8:44         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-02 13:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  6:58             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 15:54               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 10:22     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-05 16:08       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 21:54   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/38] tsm: Don't overload connect Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:00   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/38] iommufd: Add and option to request for bar mapping with IORESOURCE_EXCLUSIVE Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:08   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:28     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  6:55         ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-31 12:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05  2:26             ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-05 16:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  6:43   ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-06 21:18   ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/38] iommufd/viommu: Add support to associate viommu with kvm instance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:10   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:30     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 16:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/38] iommufd/tsm: Add tsm_op iommufd ioctls Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 16:34   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-02  9:03     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:25   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/38] iommufd/vdevice: Add TSM Guest request uAPI Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:03   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/38] iommufd/vdevice: Add TSM map ioctl Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:37     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:31       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  2:32     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-04  8:28       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05  1:29         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-05 15:48       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: register host tsm platform device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 17:10   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  8:42       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-30 10:38         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-30 12:23           ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-30 13:07             ` Greg KH
2025-07-31 12:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:22             ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 16:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01  8:31                 ` Greg KH
2025-08-02  0:54             ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/38] coco: host: arm64: CCA host platform device driver Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 17:22   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:22     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 10:28       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  8:58     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-30 10:25       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/38] coco: host: arm64: Create a PDEV with rmm Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 12:39   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-02 10:54     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-31 11:47   ` Arto Merilainen
2025-08-02 10:57     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:28   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/38] coco: host: arm64: Device communication support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 13:52   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  4:17     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:29   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/38] coco: host: arm64: Stop and destroy the physical device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 13:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:22     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/38] X.509: Make certificate parser public Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/38] X.509: Parse Subject Alternative Name in certificates Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/38] X.509: Move certificate length retrieval into new helper Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/38] coco: host: arm64: set_pubkey support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:08   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:29     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:26   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for creating a virtual device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for virtual device communication Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:13   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:45     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/38] coco: host: arm64: Stop and destroy virtual device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/38] coco: guest: arm64: Update arm CCA guest driver Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:22   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:29     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:54       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/38] arm64: CCA: Register guest tsm callback Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:50     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/38] cca: guest: arm64: Realm device lock support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/38] KVM: arm64: Add exit handler related to device assignment Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:35   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/38] coco: host: arm64: add RSI_RDEV_GET_INSTANCE_ID related exit handler Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for device communication " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 29/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for collecting interface reports Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 30/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for realm host interface (RHI) Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 31/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching interface report and certificate chain from host Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 32/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for guest initiated TDI bind/unbind Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:28   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 33/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: handle dev mem map/unmap Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 34/38] coco: guest: arm64: Validate mmio range found in the interface report Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 15:06   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 11:39   ` Arto Merilainen
2025-07-31 16:53     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  6:37     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04  8:27       ` Arto Merilainen
2025-08-04 22:31   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 35/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add Realm device start and stop support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:40   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 36/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: enable DA in realm create parameters Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:31   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 37/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching device measurements Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 38/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching device info Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  6:48     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 10:23       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-08 23:37   ` Eric Biggers
2025-07-30 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01  2:07 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01 15:51   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01 21:19     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-02 14:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-02 23:50         ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-03 22:26           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05  5:07       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 17:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 18:27           ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 18:42             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-08-05 19:06               ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 19:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05  4:50   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V

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