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From: Jacob Pan <jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Mukesh R <mrathor@linux.microsoft.com>,
	hpa@zytor.com, robin.murphy@arm.com, robh@kernel.org,
	wei.liu@kernel.org, mhklinux@outlook.com, muislam@microsoft.com,
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	linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
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	joro@8bytes.org, will@kernel.org, lpieralisi@kernel.org,
	kwilczynski@kernel.org, bhelgaas@google.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com,
	Teddy Astie <teddy.astie@vates.tech>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] x86/hyperv: Implement Hyper-V virtual IOMMU
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 14:01:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260818140119.0000507d@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260805124838.GP27883@nvidia.com>

Hi Jason,

On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 09:48:38 -0300
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:

> > +/*
> > + * If the current thread is a VMM thread, return the partition id
> > of the VM it
> > + * is managing, else return HV_PARTITION_ID_INVALID.
> > + */
> > +static u64 hv_get_current_partid(void)
> > +{  
> 
> No, you cannot transparently detect VMMs and link them like this. The
> VMM makes it self visible to the iommu driver via the viommu interface
> and you get a kvm FD to fish your partid out of. This is hackery not
> OK.
> 
> You should come with VMM support as a followup once you get a basic
> kernel-only iommu driver working.

Agreed with the plan, we should drop the current-thread based VMM
detection from this series and keep this driver focused on the
kernel-only IOMMU path, use part_id self for the time being.

I have been working on a prototype that is based on viommu/vdevice/hwpt
for "direct attach" model, aka "hypercalls to move the device into the
selected guest" in the discussions of the previous version of this
patch.

It is based on our previous discussions with Xen as well.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260509170051.GD9285@ziepe.ca/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/20260519125206.GY7702@ziepe.ca/

The viommu object for direct attach should also cover the part_id
retrieval from the partition created by mshv or xen.

The rough flow looks like:
- vmm creates an iommufd ctx
- open cdev FD for the assigned device
- bind vfio cdev FD with iommufd
- vmm calls /dev/mshv or xen to create a partition, stores hv allocated
  part_id in its vm FD's file private data
- vmm creates a per vm viommu ojbect of direct attach unique type
- in this hv-iommu-root driver's .viommu_init, fish out the part_id
  from the vm file's private data then stores in hv-iommu's viommu
  struct.
The rest is for direct domain attach, roughly
- allocate a vdevice under the direct type viommu
- allocate a direct type hwpt (new)
- attach the direct hwpt to the cdev, where this driver can intercept
  in its direct domain callback (instead of abusing the paging domain
  attach).

With this flow, the VM identity is explicit through the vIOMMU UAPI
rather than inferred from current tgid.

One open naming question is whether "direct" is the right term for this
object type since it hints 1:1 mapping which it is not. It really is an
externally managed S2 domain/iopt, so "external" may describe the
semantics better, as Teddy called it in [1].

I plan to send out RFC in the next few weeks before LPC. Any
feedback highly appreciated.

+Teddy

Thanks,

Jacob

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-18 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-31 22:34 [PATCH v5 0/9] PCI passthru on Hyper-V Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] mshv: Provide a way to get partition ID if running in a VMM process Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:47   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] mshv: Add declarations and definitions for VFIO-MSHV bridge device Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:42   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] mshv: Introduce basic mshv bridge device for VFIO to build upon Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:49   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] mshv: Add ioctl support for MSHV-VFIO bridge device Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:49   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] mshv: Import data structs around device passthru from hyperv headers Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:45   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] PCI: hv: Export hv_build_devid_type_pci() and change return type Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:47   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-18 22:14   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] x86/hyperv: Implement Hyper-V virtual IOMMU Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:48   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-05 12:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-18 21:01     ` Jacob Pan [this message]
2026-08-18 23:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-18 23:39     ` Mukesh R
2026-08-18 23:48       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-19  0:13         ` Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] mshv: Populate mmio mappings for PCI passthru Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:54   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-31 22:34 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] mshv: Disable movable regions upfront if device passthru Mukesh R
2026-07-31 22:57   ` sashiko-bot

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