From: Naman Jain <namjain@linux.microsoft.com>
To: changfengnan@bytedance.com
Cc: lrizzo@google.com, hch@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
maz@kernel.org, rizzo.unipi@gmail.com, pabeni@redhat.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/7] Global Software Interrupt Moderation (GSIM)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2026 06:44:29 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261019064429.362555-1-namjain@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8e816cdc-a714-49d8-943f-677617682352@bytedance.com>
On Wed, Sep 09, 2026 at 04:52:27PM +0800, Fengnan wrote:
> 在 2026/9/9 16:06, Luigi Rizzo 写道:
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2026 at 8:25 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Sep 05, 2026 at 10:30:22PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >>>> it appears that GSIM is only effective in scenarios where multi disks at very high
> >>>> IOPS; in some cases, there was a noticeable performance regression.
> >>>> If there’s something wrong with my configuration, please correct me.
> >>> So we have a NVME specific mechanism to tackle the same problem and a
> >>> more generic version which is subsystem "independent".
> >> I'm not sure they tackle the entirely same problem, although they are
> >> very related.
> > There is overlap but it is accidental.
> > The difference between the two mechanism is the following:
> >
> > - GSIM addresses hardware limitations (SoCs that create huge PCIe
> > backpressure on each MSIx interrupt, eventually reducing the available
> > bandwidth too much, regardless of how many CPUs can process interrupts).
> > The goal here is to throttle the total MSIx rate, blocking them at
> > the source (PCIe device) rather than later in the interrupt controller.
> >
> > - the NVME mechanism (and NAPI) aim to amortize interrupt processing
> > overhead. It does so by recreating some fine grained single-source
> > interrupt moderation (something that NICs do in hardware, but NVME
> > does not, with 100us being way too coarse for modern SSDs) and an
> > adaptive scheme to adjust the delay and decide when to kick in.
> That's a great summary.
>
> As for generic solutions, I've tried several approaches before, but none
> of them
> could achieve the same or close results as NVMe adaptive interrupt polling.
> I'm still experimenting with different options.
>
>
> >
> > I think there is a reason for both.
> >
> > GSIM because it is more general and addresses an issue the others cannot handle
> > the subsystem-specific scheme because they can be more efficient
> > (eg they can hook into existing helpers like the threaded irq handler,
> > call directly the handler without going through the full irq chain,
> > use more targeted heuristics to decide when to kick in).
> >
> > cheers
> > luigi
Sharing the test results with GSIM and other NVME specific approaches
here as well. Previously discussed in
https://lore.kernel.org/all/1d12109d-2f47-4ca5-af7b-66c032a379a7@linux.microsoft.com/
There are couple of implementations posted on NVME list, including mine,
to solve nvme issues. Below data also suggests that while GSIM may bring
generic improvements in certain cases, we may still need some NVME
specific changes to address hardirq workload problems.
Background: I was debugging soft lockup issues where sufficiently high FIO
workload can lockup the CPU cores on which high number of NVME PCI MSI
interrupts are affined.
System: 128 ARM64 vCPUs, two NUMA nodes (CPUs 0-63 / 64-127),
There are four data NVMe controllers, each with 14 interrupt-driven I/O
queues. Corresponding queue vectors from the four controllers are routed
to the same CPU. Therefore:
vectors per affected CPU: 4
affected interrupt CPUs: 14
total data-NVMe I/O vectors: 56
The affected CPUs are:
0, 10, 19, 28, 37, 46, 55,
64, 74, 83, 92, 101, 110, 119
The reproduced soft lockups happen on exactly those 14 CPUs.
The production fio command is equivalent to:
--filename=dev1:dev2:dev3:dev4
--numjobs=128
--iodepth=256
--group_reporting
so the potential total is:
128 x 256 = 32,768 requests
The NVMe hardware queue depth is 1,024, with 1,023 usable entries.
Default GSIM changes could not prevent soft lockup. Luigi suggested
a timer push change in addition to GSIM changes, which prevents the
lockups, but has an impact on latency and throughput. These are marked as
"push" in below tables.
NVMe fallback: changes I proposed in NVME, here:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20261009050556.2817978-1-namjain@linux.microsoft.com/
threaded NVMe IRQs: Default kernel with nvme.use_threaded_interrupts=1
High-load results are medians of three runs, you can find complete
minimum-to-maximum range:
IOPS median complete range
NVMe fallback 5.004M 5.002-5.004M
threaded NVMe IRQs 3.140M 3.100-3.169M
GSIM fixed 10 us + push 1.962M 1.935-2.025M
GSIM fixed 30 us + push 1.790M 1.775-1.822M
GSIM fixed 50 us + push 1.744M 1.736-1.746M
Completion latency:
mean p99 p99.9
NVMe fallback 6.533 ms 14.352 ms 16.908 ms
threaded NVMe IRQs 10.421 ms 22.151 ms 24.510 ms
GSIM fixed 10 us + push 16.570 ms 38.011 ms 270.533 ms
GSIM fixed 30 us + push 18.283 ms 40.108 ms 492.831 ms
GSIM fixed 50 us + push 18.743 ms 40.632 ms 541.065 ms
More details and numbers in my RFC series.
Regards,
Naman
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-19 6:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-19 12:43 [PATCH v5 0/7] Global Software Interrupt Moderation (GSIM) Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 1/7] genirq: Add flags for software interrupt moderation Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:50 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] genirq: Add GSIM infrastructure Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:48 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] genirq: Implement core GSIM moderation logic Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:52 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] genirq: Integrate GSIM into interrupt flow Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:58 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] genirq: Add GSIM user space configuration (procfs) Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:58 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] genirq: Adaptive Global Software Interrupt Moderation (GSIM) Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:59 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-19 12:43 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] PCI/MSI: re-enable conditional parent mask/unmask with sw moderation Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-19 12:51 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-20 7:09 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] Global Software Interrupt Moderation (GSIM) Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-20 7:34 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-20 11:46 ` changfengnan
2026-09-05 20:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 6:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-09 8:06 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-09-09 8:52 ` Fengnan
2026-10-19 6:44 ` Naman Jain [this message]
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