From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_2 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC464C433E7 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 23:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F1520773 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 23:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726526AbgIBXI2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:08:28 -0400 Received: from kernel.crashing.org ([76.164.61.194]:53506 "EHLO kernel.crashing.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726586AbgIBXI1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:08:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (gate.crashing.org [63.228.1.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by kernel.crashing.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 082N87Jl005474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:08:11 -0500 Message-ID: <32538f9d35a4adefde02acb0e37c2447d67fd349.camel@kernel.crashing.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: Enable PCI write-combine resources under sysfs From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt To: Catalin Marinas , Lorenzo Pieralisi Cc: Clint Sbisa , linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Bjorn Helgaas , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, will@kernel.org Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 09:08:06 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20200902172156.GD16673@gaia> References: <20200831151827.pumm2p54fyj7fz5s@amazon.com> <20200902113207.GA27676@e121166-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <20200902142922.xc4x6m33unkzewuh@amazon.com> <20200902164702.GA30611@e121166-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <20200902172156.GD16673@gaia> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2020-09-02 at 18:21 +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote: > > I understand we do want weak ordering for prefetchable BAR mappings > > but my worry is that by exposing the resources as WC to user space > > we are giving user space the impression that those mappings mirror > > x86 WC mappings behaviour that is not true on ARM64. > > Would Device_GRE be close to the x86 WC better? It won't allow > unaligned > accesses and that can be problematic for the user. OTOH, it doesn't > speculate reads, so it's safer from the hardware perspective. Its accepted generally that prefetchable BARs can allow speculative accesses, write combining, re-ordering even etc... and it's also commonly be the target of unaligned accesses. In reality, in PCI land, it really means "no side effects". Cheers, Ben.