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From: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, lukas@wunner.de, sameo@rivosinc.com,
	jgg@nvidia.com, zhiw@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 12/13] PCI/TSM: support TDI related operations for host TSM driver
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 11:35:05 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53c7523b-5cf3-4047-831f-12e0422cdf5d@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <683f7b6fec30f_1626e100ab@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>



On 4/6/25 08:47, Dan Williams wrote:
> Suzuki K Poulose wrote:
> [..]
>>> Ok, something like this? and iommufd will call tsm_bind()?
>>
>> Remember that there may be other devices, AMBA CHI based devices
>> being assigned. Not sure if they pretend to be PCI or not.
> 
> I have been thinking about this especially with the relative ease of
> creating samples/devsec/ given the existing Linux infrastructure
> emulating PCI host bridges.
> 
> Why not require PCI emulation for non-PCI devices? The tipping point is
> whether the relative maintenance burden of not needing to maintain
> multi-bus Device Security infrastructure outweighs the complexity of
> impedance matching those other buses to PCI.
> 
> Make "PCI" the lingua franca of Device Security.

This is how virtio started, and now it has to behave like a proper PCI device, i.e. use DMA API. Or ivshmem which maps memory as "PCI" (which it is not PCI but the guest does not know it) and is deprecated now. Not the best idea to enforce PCI from day1 imho.


-- 
Alexey


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-04  1:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-16  5:47 [PATCH v3 00/13] PCI/TSM: Core infrastructure for PCI device security (TDISP) Dan Williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] coco/tsm: Introduce a core device for TEE Security Managers Dan Williams
2025-06-02 13:18   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04  0:42     ` Dan Williams
2025-06-04  1:15       ` Dan Williams
2025-06-04 12:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04 12:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-06  3:33         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-06  2:09     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] PCI/IDE: Enumerate Selective Stream IDE capabilities Dan Williams
2025-06-17 12:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-12 22:31     ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] PCI/TSM: Authenticate devices via platform TSM Dan Williams
2025-05-21 15:32   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-06-03 19:53     ` Dan Williams
2025-06-04  8:04       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-06-17 12:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-12 22:07     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-26  1:31   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-26 23:54     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-27  4:44       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-28 19:27         ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-26  3:08   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-26 23:58     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-27  5:06       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-26 10:22   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-27  0:15     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-27  5:02       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-28 19:32         ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] PCI: Enable host-bridge emulation for PCI_DOMAINS_GENERIC platforms Dan Williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] PCI: vmd: Switch to pci_bus_find_emul_domain_nr() Dan Williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] samples/devsec: Introduce a PCI device-security bus + endpoint sample Dan Williams
2025-06-17 13:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-13  1:58     ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] PCI: Add PCIe Device 3 Extended Capability enumeration Dan Williams
2025-06-17 13:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] PCI/IDE: Add IDE establishment helpers Dan Williams
2025-06-17 14:04   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-14 18:25     ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-03  2:59   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] PCI/IDE: Report available IDE streams Dan Williams
2025-05-18 12:48   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-17 14:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-14 20:16     ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] PCI/TSM: Report active " Dan Williams
2025-06-17 14:21   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-14 20:49     ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] samples/devsec: Add sample IDE establishment Dan Williams
2025-06-17 14:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-14 20:59     ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] PCI/TSM: support TDI related operations for host TSM driver Dan Williams
2025-05-16  6:52   ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-20  7:17     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-21  9:35       ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-26  5:05         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-26  7:52           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-26 15:44             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-27  1:01               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-27 11:48                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-27 13:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-27 14:26                     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-27 14:45                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 12:17                         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-28 16:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 16:52                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29  9:30                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-29 13:43                               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-29 14:09                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30  3:00                                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-30 13:21                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29 13:49                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-29 14:05                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29  3:03                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-29 13:34                     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-29 13:37                       ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] coco: tsm: Add tsm_bind/unbind helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-05-29 13:37                         ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] iommufd/viommu: Add support to associate viommu with kvm instance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-05-29 14:13                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29 13:37                         ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] iommufd/tsm: Add tsm_bind/unbind iommufd ioctls Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-05-29 14:32                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30  8:33                             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-30 18:18                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-31 16:25                           ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-02  4:52                             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-02 17:17                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-04  1:47                                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-04  5:02                                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-04 12:37                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-06 15:40                                     ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-06 16:34                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-09  4:47                                         ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-02 11:08                             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-06-02 16:25                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-02 16:48                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-03  4:05                                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03 12:11                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04  5:58                                       ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-04 12:36                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  3:05                                           ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-10  7:05                                           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-10 18:19                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11  1:26                                               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-10  4:47                                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-10 18:21                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-12  4:15                                       ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03  5:00                                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-06-03 10:50                                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03 12:14                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04  5:31                                       ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-04 12:31                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  3:25                                           ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-05 14:54                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-09  6:10                                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-09 16:42                                                 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-06-09 18:07                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-10  7:31                                         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-12  5:44                                           ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03 12:18                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04  1:06                                     ` Dan Williams
2025-06-04 12:18                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-02 12:47                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-03  3:47                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03 12:08                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04  6:39                                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-04 12:39                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05  1:56                                       ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-15 10:29                           ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-15 13:09                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-16 15:41                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-16 16:31                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-17  8:28                                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-17 12:43                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-18  9:15                                       ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 12:26                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-20  2:37                                           ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-30  2:44                       ` [PATCH v3 12/13] PCI/TSM: support TDI related operations for host TSM driver Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-27 10:25               ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-06-03 22:47                 ` Dan Williams
2025-06-04  1:35                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy [this message]
2025-06-04  1:52                     ` Dan Williams
2025-06-04  1:54                       ` Dan Williams
2025-06-05 10:56                         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-07  1:56                           ` Dan Williams
2025-06-11  4:40                             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-13  3:06                               ` Dan Williams
2025-06-03 22:40             ` Dan Williams
2025-05-19 10:20   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-20 20:12     ` Dan Williams
2025-05-21  9:28       ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-26  8:08         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-29 14:20           ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-30  2:54             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-31 15:26               ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-02  4:51                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-02 18:51                   ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03 19:12         ` Dan Williams
2025-07-07  7:17     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-20  5:20   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-20 21:12     ` Dan Williams
2025-05-16  5:47 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] PCI/TSM: Add Guest TSM Support Dan Williams
2025-05-19 10:20   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-05-20 21:11     ` Dan Williams
2025-05-22  4:07       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-03 22:26         ` Dan Williams
2025-06-03 22:33           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-10  8:31           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-07-11 23:04             ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-20  9:25   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-20 21:27     ` Dan Williams
2025-05-20 11:00   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-05-20 21:31     ` Dan Williams
2025-06-03 19:07       ` Dan Williams
2025-05-21 15:03   ` Xu Yilun
2025-06-03 19:20     ` Dan Williams

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