From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
Aneesh Kumar K.V <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <kvmarm@lists.linux.dev>,
<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<aik@amd.com>, <lukas@wunner.de>,
"Samuel Ortiz" <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
"Suzuki K Poulose" <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 11/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: register host tsm platform device
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:44:04 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <68e953f484464_1992810065@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6cf20f6-0f19-4814-b917-4f92dad39648@arm.com>
Jeremy Linton wrote:
> On 10/10/25 10:30 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:28:36AM -0500, Jeremy Linton wrote:
> >
> >>> So you could use auxiliary_device, you'd consider SMC itself to be the
> >>> shared HW block and all the auxiliary drivers are per-subsystem
> >>> aspects of that shared SMC interface. It is not a terrible fit for
> >>> what it was intended for at least.
> >>
> >> Turns out that changing any of this, will at the moment break systemd's
> >> confidential vm detection, because they wanted the earliest indicator the
> >> guest was capable and that turned out to be this platform device.
> >
> > Having systemd detect a software created platform device sounds
> > compltely crazy, don't do that. Make a proper sysfs uapi for such a
> > general idea please.
>
> Yes, I agree, its just at the time the statment was around what is the
> most reliable early indicator, and since there isn't a hwcap or anything
> that ended up being the choice, as disgusting as it is.
>
> Presumably once all this works out the sysfs/api surface will be more
> 'defined'
It has definition today.
All guest-side TSM drivers currently call tsm_report_register(), that
establishes /sys/kernel/config/tsm/report which is the common cross-arch
transport for retrieving CVM launch attestation reports.
In the TEE I/O patches [1] a /sys/class/tsm/tsmX device will be created
by all platforms that support TEE I/O. However, systemd would need to be
careful to differentiate host-side TSMs vs guest-side, and that is only
possible when the TSM supports TEE I/O.
I would be open to adding a simple attribute to that class device for
this common "am I a CVM" question for systemd. Would just need to update
all the CVM guest drivers to register that class device in the non TEE
I/O case.
[1]: http://lore.kernel.org/20250911235647.3248419-2-dan.j.williams@intel.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-10 18:44 UTC|newest]
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2025-07-28 13:51 [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/38] tsm: Add tsm_bind/unbind helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/38] tsm: Move tsm core outside the host directory Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/38] tsm: Move dsm_dev from pci_tdi to pci_tsm Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 21:52 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-08-05 9:24 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/38] tsm: Support DMA Allocation from private memory Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29 8:23 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 10:09 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-07-31 12:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:48 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-07-31 16:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01 9:30 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-08-01 14:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-02 8:44 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-02 13:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 6:58 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 15:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 10:22 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-05 16:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 21:54 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-15 8:36 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-16 4:15 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-16 8:16 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/38] tsm: Don't overload connect Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:00 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/38] iommufd: Add and option to request for bar mapping with IORESOURCE_EXCLUSIVE Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29 8:28 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 6:55 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-31 12:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 2:26 ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-05 16:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 6:43 ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-06 21:18 ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/38] iommufd/viommu: Add support to associate viommu with kvm instance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29 8:30 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 16:26 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/38] iommufd/tsm: Add tsm_op iommufd ioctls Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 16:34 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-02 9:03 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:25 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/38] iommufd/vdevice: Add TSM Guest request uAPI Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:03 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/38] iommufd/vdevice: Add TSM map ioctl Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29 8:37 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 2:32 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-04 8:28 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 1:29 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-05 15:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: register host tsm platform device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 17:10 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 8:42 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-30 10:38 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-30 12:23 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-30 13:07 ` Greg KH
2025-10-10 12:10 ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 12:38 ` Greg KH
2025-10-10 15:14 ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 13:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-10 15:28 ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 15:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-10 15:37 ` Greg KH
2025-10-10 15:50 ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 18:44 ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2025-10-10 22:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-13 20:42 ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-15 9:52 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-10-15 9:58 ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 11:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-15 11:57 ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 12:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-15 12:37 ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 15:19 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-15 16:03 ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 16:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 12:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:22 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 16:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01 8:31 ` Greg KH
2025-08-02 0:54 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-09 7:17 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/38] coco: host: arm64: CCA host platform device driver Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 17:22 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 10:28 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 8:58 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-30 10:25 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/38] coco: host: arm64: Create a PDEV with rmm Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 12:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-02 10:54 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-31 11:47 ` Arto Merilainen
2025-08-02 10:57 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:28 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/38] coco: host: arm64: Device communication support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 13:52 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 4:17 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:29 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/38] coco: host: arm64: Stop and destroy the physical device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 13:57 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 4:22 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/38] X.509: Make certificate parser public Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/38] X.509: Parse Subject Alternative Name in certificates Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/38] X.509: Move certificate length retrieval into new helper Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:27 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/38] coco: host: arm64: set_pubkey support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:08 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 4:29 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:26 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for creating a virtual device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:12 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for virtual device communication Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:13 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 4:45 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/38] coco: host: arm64: Stop and destroy virtual device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:15 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/38] coco: guest: arm64: Update arm CCA guest driver Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:22 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:54 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/38] arm64: CCA: Register guest tsm callback Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:26 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 4:50 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/38] cca: guest: arm64: Realm device lock support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:32 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/38] KVM: arm64: Add exit handler related to device assignment Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:35 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/38] coco: host: arm64: add RSI_RDEV_GET_INSTANCE_ID related exit handler Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for device communication " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 29/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for collecting interface reports Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 30/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for realm host interface (RHI) Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:43 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 31/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching interface report and certificate chain from host Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:46 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 32/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for guest initiated TDI bind/unbind Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:51 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:28 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 33/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: handle dev mem map/unmap Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 34/38] coco: guest: arm64: Validate mmio range found in the interface report Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 15:06 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 11:39 ` Arto Merilainen
2025-07-31 16:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 6:37 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 8:27 ` Arto Merilainen
2025-09-10 5:47 ` Arto Merilainen
2025-09-10 14:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-11 5:33 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-11 8:31 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-09-11 13:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-11 17:47 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 22:31 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 35/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add Realm device start and stop support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:40 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:27 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 36/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: enable DA in realm create parameters Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:31 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 37/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching device measurements Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:16 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:27 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 38/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching device info Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:36 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 6:48 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 10:23 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-08 23:37 ` Eric Biggers
2025-07-30 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01 2:07 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01 15:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01 21:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-02 14:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-02 23:50 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-03 22:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 5:07 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 18:27 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 18:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 19:06 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 19:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 4:50 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
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