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From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Aneesh Kumar K.V <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	<linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <kvmarm@lists.linux.dev>,
	<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<aik@amd.com>, <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Samuel Ortiz" <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
	"Suzuki K Poulose" <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 11/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: register host tsm platform device
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:44:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <68e953f484464_1992810065@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6cf20f6-0f19-4814-b917-4f92dad39648@arm.com>

Jeremy Linton wrote:
> On 10/10/25 10:30 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:28:36AM -0500, Jeremy Linton wrote:
> > 
> >>> So you could use auxiliary_device, you'd consider SMC itself to be the
> >>> shared HW block and all the auxiliary drivers are per-subsystem
> >>> aspects of that shared SMC interface. It is not a terrible fit for
> >>> what it was intended for at least.
> >>
> >> Turns out that changing any of this, will at the moment break systemd's
> >> confidential vm detection, because they wanted the earliest indicator the
> >> guest was capable and that turned out to be this platform device.
> > 
> > Having systemd detect a software created platform device sounds
> > compltely crazy, don't do that. Make a proper sysfs uapi for such a
> > general idea please.
> 
> Yes, I agree, its just at the time the statment was around what is the 
> most reliable early indicator, and since there isn't a hwcap or anything 
> that ended up being the choice, as disgusting as it is.
> 
> Presumably once all this works out the sysfs/api surface will be more 
> 'defined'

It has definition today.

All guest-side TSM drivers currently call tsm_report_register(), that
establishes /sys/kernel/config/tsm/report which is the common cross-arch
transport for retrieving CVM launch attestation reports.

In the TEE I/O patches [1] a /sys/class/tsm/tsmX device will be created
by all platforms that support TEE I/O. However, systemd would need to be
careful to differentiate host-side TSMs vs guest-side, and that is only
possible when the TSM supports TEE I/O.

I would be open to adding a simple attribute to that class device for
this common "am I a CVM" question for systemd. Would just need to update
all the CVM guest drivers to register that class device in the non TEE
I/O case.

[1]: http://lore.kernel.org/20250911235647.3248419-2-dan.j.williams@intel.com

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-10 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-28 13:51 [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/38] tsm: Add tsm_bind/unbind helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/38] tsm: Move tsm core outside the host directory Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/38] tsm: Move dsm_dev from pci_tdi to pci_tsm Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 21:52   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-08-05  9:24     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/38] tsm: Support DMA Allocation from private memory Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:33   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:23     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:33       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 10:09         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-07-31 12:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:48             ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-07-31 16:44               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01  9:30                 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2025-08-01 14:53                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-02  8:44         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-02 13:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  6:58             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 15:54               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 10:22     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-05 16:08       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 21:54   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-15  8:36   ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-16  4:15     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-16  8:16       ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/38] tsm: Don't overload connect Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:00   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/38] iommufd: Add and option to request for bar mapping with IORESOURCE_EXCLUSIVE Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:08   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:28     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  6:55         ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-31 12:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05  2:26             ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-05 16:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  6:43   ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-06 21:18   ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/38] iommufd/viommu: Add support to associate viommu with kvm instance Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:10   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:30     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 16:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/38] iommufd/tsm: Add tsm_op iommufd ioctls Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 16:34   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-02  9:03     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:25   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/38] iommufd/vdevice: Add TSM Guest request uAPI Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:03   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/38] iommufd/vdevice: Add TSM map ioctl Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 14:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-29  8:37     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-29 14:31       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  2:32     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-04  8:28       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05  1:29         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-08-05 15:48       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: register host tsm platform device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 17:10   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  8:42       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-30 10:38         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-30 12:23           ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-30 13:07             ` Greg KH
2025-10-10 12:10               ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 12:38                 ` Greg KH
2025-10-10 15:14                   ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 13:59                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-10 15:28                   ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 15:30                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-10 15:37                       ` Greg KH
2025-10-10 15:50                       ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-10 18:44                         ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2025-10-10 22:34                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-13 20:42                             ` Jeremy Linton
2025-10-15  9:52                   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-10-15  9:58                     ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 11:50                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-15 11:57                         ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 12:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-15 12:37                             ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 15:19                         ` James Bottomley
2025-10-15 16:03                           ` Greg KH
2025-10-15 16:34                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 12:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:22             ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 16:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01  8:31                 ` Greg KH
2025-08-02  0:54             ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-09  7:17               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/38] coco: host: arm64: CCA host platform device driver Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-29 17:22   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-29 23:22     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 10:28       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30  8:58     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-30 10:25       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/38] coco: host: arm64: Create a PDEV with rmm Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 12:39   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-02 10:54     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-31 11:47   ` Arto Merilainen
2025-08-02 10:57     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:28   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/38] coco: host: arm64: Device communication support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 13:52   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  4:17     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:29   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/38] coco: host: arm64: Stop and destroy the physical device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 13:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:22     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/38] X.509: Make certificate parser public Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/38] X.509: Parse Subject Alternative Name in certificates Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/38] X.509: Move certificate length retrieval into new helper Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/38] coco: host: arm64: set_pubkey support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:08   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:29     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 22:26   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for creating a virtual device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for virtual device communication Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:13   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:45     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/38] coco: host: arm64: Stop and destroy virtual device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/38] coco: guest: arm64: Update arm CCA guest driver Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:22   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 12:29     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 13:54       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/38] arm64: CCA: Register guest tsm callback Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  4:50     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/38] cca: guest: arm64: Realm device lock support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/38] KVM: arm64: Add exit handler related to device assignment Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:35   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/38] coco: host: arm64: add RSI_RDEV_GET_INSTANCE_ID related exit handler Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for device communication " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 29/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for collecting interface reports Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 30/38] coco: host: arm64: Add support for realm host interface (RHI) Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 31/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching interface report and certificate chain from host Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 32/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for guest initiated TDI bind/unbind Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 14:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:28   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 33/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: handle dev mem map/unmap Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 34/38] coco: guest: arm64: Validate mmio range found in the interface report Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-30 15:06   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-31 11:39   ` Arto Merilainen
2025-07-31 16:53     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04  6:37     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04  8:27       ` Arto Merilainen
2025-09-10  5:47     ` Arto Merilainen
2025-09-10 14:21       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-11  5:33       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-11  8:31         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-09-11 13:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-11 17:47         ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 22:31   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 35/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add Realm device start and stop support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:40   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 36/38] KVM: arm64: CCA: enable DA in realm create parameters Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-08-04 22:31   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 37/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching device measurements Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04 22:27   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-28 13:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 38/38] coco: guest: arm64: Add support for fetching device info Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2025-07-31 10:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-04  6:48     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-04 10:23       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-08 23:37   ` Eric Biggers
2025-07-30 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/38] ARM CCA Device Assignment support Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01  2:07 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01 15:51   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-01 21:19     ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-02 14:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-02 23:50         ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-03 22:26           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05  5:07       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-08-05 17:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 18:27           ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 18:42             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05 19:06               ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 19:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-05  4:50   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V

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