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From: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	 "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	 Pasha Tatashin <tatashin@google.com>,
	Jason Miu <jasonmiu@google.com>,
	 Vipin Sharma <vipinsh@google.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	 Adithya Jayachandran <ajayachandra@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>, William Tu <witu@nvidia.com>,
	 Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 06/10] PCI/LUO: Save and restore driver name
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 11:56:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+CK2bCBFZDsaEywbfCzDJrH3oXyMmSffV-x7bOs8qC7NT7nAg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2025093052-resupply-unmixable-e9bb@gregkh>

> > A driver that preserves state across a reboot already has an implicit
> > contract with its future self about that data's format. The GUID
> > simply makes that contract explicit and machine-checkable. It does not
> > have to be GUID, but nevertheless there has to be a specific contract.
>
> So how are you going to "version" these GUID?  I see you use "schema Vx"

Driver developer who changes a driver to support live-update.

> above, but how is that really going to work in the end?  Lots of data
> structures change underneath the base driver that it knows nothing
> about, not to mention basic things like compiler flags and the like
> (think about how we have changed things for spectre issues over the
> years...)

We are working on versioning protocol, the GUID I am suggesting is not
to protect "struct" coherency, but just to identify which driver to
bind to which device compatability.

>
> And when can you delete an old "schema"?  This feels like you are
> forcing future developers to maintain things "for forever"...

This won't be an issue because of how live update support is planned.
The support model will be phased and limited:

Initially, and for a while there will be no stability guarantees
between different kernel versions.
Eventually, we will support specific, narrow upgrade paths (e.g.,
minor-to-minor, or stable-A to stable-A+1).
Downgrades and arbitrary version jumps ("any-to-any") will not be
supported upstream. Since we only ever need to handle a well-defined
forward path, the code for old, irrelevant schemas can always be
removed. There is no "forever".

Pasha

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-30 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-16  7:45 [PATCH v2 00/10] LUO: PCI subsystem (phase I) Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] PCI/LUO: Register with Liveupdate Orchestrator Chris Li
2025-09-30 15:15   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-30 23:41     ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 15:17   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-30 23:38     ` Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] PCI/LUO: Create requested liveupdate device list Chris Li
2025-09-29 17:46   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-30  2:13     ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 16:47       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-03  7:09         ` Chris Li
2025-10-03  5:33     ` Chris Li
2025-10-03 14:04       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-03 21:06         ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 15:26   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-03  6:57     ` Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] PCI/LUO: Forward prepare()/freeze()/cancel() callbacks to driver Chris Li
2025-09-29 17:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-30  2:11     ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 16:38       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 18:54         ` David Matlack
2025-10-02 20:57           ` Chris Li
2025-10-02 21:31             ` David Matlack
2025-10-02 23:21               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 23:42                 ` David Matlack
2025-10-03 12:03                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-03 16:03                     ` David Matlack
2025-10-03 16:16                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-03 16:28                         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-03 16:56                           ` David Matlack
2025-10-03  5:24                 ` Chris Li
2025-10-03 12:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-03 16:27                     ` David Matlack
2025-10-03 16:41                       ` Vipin Sharma
2025-10-03 17:44                     ` Chris Li
2025-10-03  5:17               ` Chris Li
2025-10-02 20:44         ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 15:27   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-02 20:38     ` Chris Li
2025-10-03  6:18       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-03  7:26         ` Chris Li
2025-10-03 12:26           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-03 17:49             ` Chris Li
2025-10-03 18:27               ` David Matlack
2025-10-03 21:10                 ` Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] PCI/LUO: Restore state at PCI enumeration Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] PCI/LUO: Forward finish callbacks to drivers Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] PCI/LUO: Save and restore driver name Chris Li
2025-09-29 17:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-30  2:10     ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 13:02       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-30 13:41         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-30 14:53           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-30 15:08             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-30 15:56               ` Pasha Tatashin [this message]
2025-10-01  5:06                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-01 21:03                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-02  6:09                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-02 13:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 22:30                       ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 15:41           ` Chris Li
2025-10-01  5:13             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-10-02 22:05               ` Chris Li
2025-09-30 16:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 21:39           ` Chris Li
2025-10-03 14:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] PCI/LUO: Add liveupdate to pcieport driver Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] PCI/LUO: Add pci_liveupdate_get_driver_data() Chris Li
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] PCI/LUO: Avoid write to bus master at boot Chris Li
2025-09-29 17:14   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-16  7:45 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] PCI: pci-lu-stub: Add a stub driver for Live Update testing Chris Li
2025-09-27 17:13 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] LUO: PCI subsystem (phase I) Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-27 18:05   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-09-29 15:04     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-09-29 18:13       ` Chris Li
2025-10-07 23:32         ` Chris Li
2025-10-08 23:00           ` David Matlack
2025-10-09 17:12             ` Chris Li
2025-10-09 23:21           ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-10  4:19             ` Chris Li
2025-10-10 23:49               ` Jason Miu
2025-10-13 13:58                 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-14 16:11                   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-14 20:44                   ` Chris Li

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