From: fengchengwen <fengchengwen@huawei.com>
To: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>, <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, Yochai Cohen <yochai@nvidia.com>,
Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
Zhiping Zhang <zhipingz@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal: Add sysfs interface for PCIe TPH Steering Tag retrieval and configuration
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 09:07:23 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b95ced54-339f-4859-b3eb-8bf261393ffc@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260413191930.GP21470@unreal>
On 4/14/2026 3:19 AM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 08:04:10PM +0800, fengchengwen wrote:
>> On 4/13/2026 6:01 PM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 10:30:52PM +0800, fengchengwen wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing to propose adding a sysfs interface to expose and configure the
>>>> PCIe TPH
>>>> Steering Tag for PCIe devices, which is retrieved inside the kernel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Background: The TPH Steering Tag is tightly coupled with both a PCIe device
>>>> (identified
>>>> by its BDF) and a CPU core. It can only be obtained in kernel mode. To allow
>>>> user-space
>>>> applications to fetch and set this value securely and conveniently, we need
>>>> a standard
>>>> kernel-to-user interface.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proposed Solution: Add several sysfs attributes under each PCIe device's
>>>> sysfs directory:
>>>> 1. /sys/bus/pci/devices/<BDF>/tph_mode to query the TPH mode (interrupt or
>>>> device specific)
>>>> 2. /sys/bus/pci/devices/<BDF>/tph_enable to control the TPH feature
>>>> 3. /sys/bus/pci/devices/<BDF>/tph_st to support both read and write
>>>> operations, e.g.:
>>>> Read operation:
>>>> echo "cpu=3" > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/tph_st
>>>> cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/tph_st
>>>> Write operation:
>>>> echo "index=10 st=123" > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/tph_st
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The design strictly follows PCI subsystem sysfs standards and has the
>>>> following key properties:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Dynamic Visibility: The sysfs attributes will only be present for PCIe
>>>> devices that
>>>> support TPH Steering Tag. Devices without TPH capability will not show
>>>> these nodes,
>>>> avoiding unnecessary user confusion.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Permission Control: The attributes will use 0600 file permissions,
>>>> ensuring only
>>>> privileged root users can read or write them, which satisfies security
>>>> requirements
>>>> for hardware configuration interfaces.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Standard Implementation Location: The interface will be implemented in
>>>> drivers/pci/pci-sysfs.c, the canonical location for all PCI device sysfs
>>>> attributes,
>>>> ensuring consistency and maintainability within the PCI subsystem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why sysfs instead of alternatives like VFIO-PCI ioctl:
>>>>
>>>> - Universality: sysfs does not require binding the device to a special
>>>> driver such as
>>>> vfio-pci. It is available to any privileged user-space component,
>>>> including system
>>>> utilities, daemons, and monitoring tools.
>>>>
>>>> - Simplicity: Both user-space usage (cat/echo) and kernel implementation are
>>>> straightforward, reducing code complexity and long-term maintenance cost.
>>>>
>>>> - Design Alignment: TPH Steering Tag is a generic PCIe device feature, not
>>>> specific to
>>>> user-space drivers like DPDK or VFIO. Exposing it via sysfs matches the
>>>> kernel's
>>>> standard pattern for hardware capabilities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to your comments about this design before submitting the
>>>> final patch.
>>>
>>> You need to explain more clearly why this write functionality is useful
>>> and necessary outside the VFIO/RDMA context:
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260324234615.3731237-1-zhipingz@meta.com/
>>>
>>> AFAIK, for non-VFIO TPH callers, kernel has enough knowledge to set
>>> right ST values.
>>>
>>> There are several comments regarding the implementation, but those can wait
>>> until the rationale behind the proposal is fully clarified.
>>
>> Thanks for your review and comments.
>>
>> Let me clarify the rationale behind this user-space sysfs interface:
>>
>> 1. VFIO is just one of the user-space device access frameworks.
>> There are many other in-kernel frameworks that expose devices
>> to user space, such as UIO, UACCE, etc., which may also require
>> TPH Steering Tag support.
>>
>> 2. The kernel can automatically program Steering Tags only when
>> the device provides a standard ST table in MSI-X or config space.
>> However, many devices implement vendor-specific or platform-specific
>> Steering Tag programming methods that cannot be fully handled
>> by the generic kernel code.
>>
>> 3. For such devices, user-space applications or framework drivers
>> need to retrieve and configure TPH Steering Tags directly.
>> A unified sysfs interface allows all user-space frameworks
>> (not just VFIO) to use a common, standard way to manage
>> TPH Steering Tags, rather than implementing duplicated logic
>> in each subsystem.
>>
>> This interface provides a uniform method for any user-space
>> device access solution to work with TPH, which is why I believe
>> it is useful and necessary beyond the VFIO/RDMA case.
>
> I understand the rationale for providing a read interface, for example for
> debugging, but I do not see any justification for a write interface.
Thank you for the comment!
As I explained, read interface is not only for debugging. It was used to
such device who don't declare ST location in MSI-X or config-space, the following
is Intel X710 NIC device's lspci output (only TPH part):
Capabilities: [1a0 v1] Transaction Processing Hints
Device specific mode supported
No steering table available
So we could not config the ST for device on kernel because it's vendor specific.
But we could configure ST by it's vendor user-space driver, in this case, we
should get ST from kernel to user-space.
As for write interface, which was used to devices whose ST location is known, I
think we could simple it, and only passing <index, cpu>, then kernel query cpu's ST
and set to corresponding index.
>
> TPH is defined by the PCI specification. If a device intends to support it,
> then it should conform to the specification.
According to the PCI specification 6.17.3 ST Modes of Operation:
Device Specific Mode: It is recommended for the Function to use a Steering Tag value from an ST Table entry, but it is not required.
In the Device Specific Mode of operation, the assignment of the Steering Tags to Requests is device specific. The number
of Steering Tags used by the Function is permitted to be different than the number of interrupt vectors allocated for the
Function, irrespective of the ST Table location, and Steering Tag values used in Requests are not required to come from
the architected ST Table.
Thanks
>
> Thanks
>
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Chengwen Feng
>>>>
>>
>>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-14 1:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-10 14:30 [RFC] Proposal: Add sysfs interface for PCIe TPH Steering Tag retrieval and configuration fengchengwen
2026-04-13 10:01 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-04-13 12:04 ` fengchengwen
2026-04-13 19:19 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-04-14 1:07 ` fengchengwen [this message]
2026-04-14 8:57 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-04-14 9:30 ` fengchengwen
2026-04-14 10:35 ` Leon Romanovsky
[not found] ` <11eaea26-ec10-264a-db1e-951f6b46078d@huawei.com>
2026-04-14 15:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-15 1:47 ` fengchengwen
2026-04-13 13:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-14 1:33 ` fengchengwen
2026-04-14 11:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <284350ea-e398-12da-c3e2-e156a1e6d127@huawei.com>
2026-04-14 15:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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