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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Ahern <daahern@cisco.com>
Cc: linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@elte.hu, acme@ghostprotocols.net, paulus@samba.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] perf events: Introduce realtime clock event
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:58:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1298041106.5226.775.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D5E84AC.4040104@cisco.com>

On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 07:39 -0700, David Ahern wrote:
> 
> On 02/18/11 04:14, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 22:53 -0700, David Ahern wrote:
> >> The motivation for this event is to convert perf_clock() time stamps
> >> to wall-clock (gettimeofday()) equivalents, including adjustments made
> >> by NTP (e.g., for comparing perf events to other log files).
> > 
> >> This patch is based on the monotonic patch by Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
> >> <acme@redhat.com>.
> >>
> >> (NOTE: Comments from the last review of the timehist patch series
> >> suggested calling this a monotonic clock. I am not trying to be
> >> dense here; since gettimeofday maps to realtime clock I think that
> >> is the better name for it.)
> > 
> > Well, the idea was to use CLOCK_MONOTONIC, not to call CLOCK_REALTIME
> > monotonic.
> > 
> > I'm really not sure why you want CLOCK_REALTIME and I think
> > CLOCK_MONOTONIC is more useful (I'd argue you want your system logs to
> > contain both, every admin who's ever had to untangle what happened
> > during DST switches will agree)
> 
> I believe CLOCK_MONOTONIC is what perf_clock is tied to -- the
> timestamps for PERF_SAMPLE_TIME -- so we already have that.

Its not (it mere _can_ be), it could be tied to the TSC which can
significantly drift wrt CLOCK_MONOTONIC.

> Programs that generate time-of-day output are using gettimeofday which
> is tied to CLOCK_REALTIME. We want to be able to correlate a perf sample
> to an entry in an applications log file.

Well, you can argue those programs are broken :-), Imagine the joys of
trying to figure out wth happens when DST jumps the clock back an hour
and you have an hour of duplicate data.

> >> @@ -5610,6 +5612,13 @@ static enum hrtimer_restart perf_swevent_hrtimer(struct hrtimer *hrtimer)
> >>  
> >>  	perf_sample_data_init(&data, 0);
> >>  	data.period = event->hw.last_period;
> >> +	if (event->attr.sample_type & PERF_SAMPLE_RAW) 
> >> +	{
> >> +		raw.size = sizeof(u64);
> >> +		raw.data = &event->count;
> >> +		data.raw = &raw;
> >> +	}
> >> +
> >>  	regs = get_irq_regs();
> >>  
> >>  	if (regs && !perf_exclude_event(event, regs)) {
> > 
> > 
> > Why!? you already keep ->count = ktime_get_real(), so simply reading the
> > count value will get you the timestamp.. this is superfluous at best.
> 
> And that is a conundrum I was stuck on for a while. perf record does not
> sample counters; it only creates sample events. I looked at having perf
> record sample the clock event, but then I would have to synthesize an
> event for the output file. Similarly perf record for hardware counters
> does not show the value of the counter.

Well, but you can fix that, simply add PERF_SAMPLE_READ, no need to
abuse the raw crap.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-18 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-18  5:53 [PATCH 0/3] perf events: Add realtime clock event and timehist option David Ahern
2011-02-18  5:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] perf events: fix WARN_ON_ONCE for 64-bit raw data, SW events David Ahern
2011-02-18 11:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18 14:33     ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 14:53       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-18 15:01         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18 17:04           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-18 17:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18 17:15               ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 17:17                 ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 14:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18 15:28         ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 15:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18  5:53 ` [PATCH 2/3] perf events: Introduce realtime clock event David Ahern
2011-02-18 11:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18 14:39     ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 14:58       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2011-02-18 15:35         ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 15:39         ` David Ahern
2011-02-20 12:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-18  5:53 ` [PATCH 3/3] perf events: add timehist option to record and report David Ahern
2011-02-18  7:06   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-18 14:28     ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 17:59       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-02-18 18:07         ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 18:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-18 18:45             ` David Ahern
2011-02-19  9:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-19 14:38                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-18 19:24           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-02-18 19:53             ` David Ahern
2011-02-21 21:13               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-02-18 18:41         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-18 18:47           ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 18:53           ` David Ahern
2011-02-18 19:06             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-18 19:29           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-02-18 20:30             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-21 21:17               ` Frederic Weisbecker

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