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From: Leo Yan <leo.yan@arm.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
	Yabin Cui <yabinc@google.com>,
	coresight@lists.linaro.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Leach <mike.leach@linaro.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Liang Kan <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] perf: Allow non-contiguous AUX buffer pages via PMU capability
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 15:10:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250422141026.GH28953@e132581.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aAeQcgmL-iqGbG_g@gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 02:49:54PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:

[...]

> > Hi Yabin,
> > 
> > I was wondering if this is just the opposite of 
> > PERF_PMU_CAP_AUX_NO_SG, and that order 0 should be used by default 
> > for all devices to solve the issue you describe. Because we already 
> > have PERF_PMU_CAP_AUX_NO_SG for devices that need contiguous pages. 
> > Then I found commit 5768402fd9c6 ("perf/ring_buffer: Use high order 
> > allocations for AUX buffers optimistically") that explains that the 
> > current allocation strategy is an optimization.
> > 
> > Your change seems to decide that for certain devices we want to 
> > optimize for fragmentation rather than performance. If these are 
> > rarely used features specifically when looking at performance should 
> > we not continue to optimize for performance? Or at least make it user 
> > configurable?
> 
> So there seems to be 3 categories:
> 
>  - 1) Must have physically contiguous AUX buffers, it's a hardware ABI. 
>       (PERF_PMU_CAP_AUX_NO_SG for Intel BTS and PT.)
> 
>  - 2) Would be nice to have continguous AUX buffers, for a bit more 
>       performance.
> 
>  - 3) Doesn't really care.
> 
> So we do have #1, and it appears Yabin's usecase is #3?

In Yabin's case, the AUX buffer work as a bounce buffer.  The hardware
trace data is copied by a driver from low level's contiguous buffer to
the AUX buffer.

In this case we cannot benefit much from continguous AUX buffers.

Thanks,
Leo

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-22 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-21 21:58 [PATCH 0/2] perf,coresight: Reduce fragmentation with non-contiguous AUX pages for cs_etm Yabin Cui
2025-04-21 21:58 ` [PATCH 1/2] perf: Allow non-contiguous AUX buffer pages via PMU capability Yabin Cui
2025-04-22 10:21   ` James Clark
2025-04-22 12:49     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-22 14:10       ` Leo Yan [this message]
2025-04-23 19:52         ` Yabin Cui
2025-04-28  8:56           ` James Clark
2025-04-29 17:02             ` Yabin Cui
2025-04-29 21:35               ` Yabin Cui
2025-04-21 21:58 ` [PATCH 2/2] coresight: etm-perf: Add AUX_NON_CONTIGUOUS_PAGES to cs_etm PMU Yabin Cui
2025-04-22 14:21   ` Leo Yan
2025-04-23 20:01     ` Yabin Cui
2025-04-24 11:29       ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-04-24 18:32         ` Yabin Cui

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