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From: "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@intel.com>
To: "mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>, "bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"ak@linux.intel.com" <ak@linux.intel.com>,
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	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Meteor Lake
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 14:45:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <967b0ccdb8342d3405b415df7814ddcf49c28a17.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y7gG8R8ZRWTXYSGq@gmail.com>

On Fri, 2023-01-06 at 12:33 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 11:56:18AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > It's a trade-off in any case: there's a point where quirk flags
> > > or even 
> > > feature flags become harder to read and harder to maintain than
> > > cleanly 
> > > separated per model driver functions.
> > 
> > Yeah, no, singular: a synthetic feature *flag*: X86_FEATURE_RAPL.
> > 
> > cpu/intel.c can set it and driver can test it.
> > 
> > Everything else inside the driver.
> > 
> > Until Intel can get their act together and actually do a CPUID bit
> > like AMD. :-P
> > 
> > But when you think about it, whether the model matching happens in
> > the driver or
> > in cpu/intel.c doesn't matter a whole lot.
> > 
> > All that matters is, they should finally give it a CPUID bit.
> 
> The other thing that matters here are the RAPL *incompatibilities*
> between 
> model variants, which are significant AFAICS.
> 
> With a CPUID we get a kind of semi-compatible hardware interface with
> well 
> defined semantics & expansion.

Agreed.
> 
> With 'non-architectural', per-model RAPL features we get very little
> of 
> that...

Exactly.

The main purpose of the model list in RAPL PMU code and the intel_rapl
driver is to differentiate the model-specific behavior, say,
some models use standard energy unit retrieved from MSR
some models use a fixed energy unit for Dram Domain
and
some models use a fixed energy unit for Psys Domain
etc.

> 
> Which is why it's a trade-off that is hard to judge in advance: maybe
> we 
> can simplify the code via a synthethic CPUID[s], maybe it will just
> be 
> another zoo of per-model feature flags...

Agreed.

> Likely won't be able to tell for sure until we see patches.
> 
Yeah, let me cook up a RFC series later and we can continue with that.

thanks,
rui

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-06 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-04 14:58 [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Meteor Lake Zhang Rui
2023-01-04 14:58 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Emerald Rapids Zhang Rui
2023-01-04 16:55 ` [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Meteor Lake Dave Hansen
2023-01-05  6:54   ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-05  9:55     ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06  6:05       ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-06 10:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-01-06 10:39         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2023-01-06 11:11             ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06 11:33               ` Ingo Molnar
2023-01-06 14:45                 ` Zhang, Rui [this message]
2023-01-06 14:38           ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-06 14:49             ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06 14:50             ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-07 14:07               ` Zhang, Rui

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