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From: Ze Gao <zegao2021@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-trace-devel@vger.kernel.org, Ze Gao <zegao@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] sched, tracing: add to report task state in symbolic chars
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:00:00 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD8CoPDvXN6u8uw48UU97bWJgkB0S2qGimAFwhHo9XvWe_x03A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230731093655.GC29590@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:37 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 08:16:16PM +0800, Ze Gao wrote:
> > Internal representations of task state are likely to be changed or
> > ordered, and reporting them to userspace without exporting them as
> > part of API is not a good choice, which can easily break a userspace
> > observability tool as kernel evolves. For example, perf suffers from
> > this and still reports wrong states by this patch.
> >
> > OTOH, some masqueraded state like TASK_REPORT_IDLE and TASK_REPORT_MAX
> > are also reported inadvertently, which confuses things even more.
> >
> > So add a new variable in company with the old raw value to report task
> > state in symbolic char, which is self-explaining and no further
> > translation is needed, and also report priorities in 'short' to save
> > some buffer space.  Of course this does not break any userspace tool.
> >
> > Note for PREEMPT_ACTIVE, we introduce 'p' to report it and use the old
> > conventions for the rest.
>
> So I really dont much like this. This looses the ability to see the
> actual wait state flags, there could be multiple. Eg, things like
> TASK_FREEZEABLE gets lost completely.

Also, IIRC, TASK_FREEZABLE which is defined as 0x2000, is already lost
in the current implementation of __trace_sched_switch_state which limits
all states except PREEMPT_ACTIIVE below TASK_REPORT_IDLE to be
reported. So I do not believe you can achieve this by just leaving things alone.

Regards,
Ze

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-31 11:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-26 12:16 [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] report task state in symbolic chars from sched tracepoint Ze Gao
2023-07-26 12:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] sched, tracing: add to report task state in symbolic chars Ze Gao
2023-07-31  9:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-31 10:17     ` Ze Gao
2023-07-31 11:00     ` Ze Gao [this message]
2023-07-31 15:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-08-01  1:35     ` Ze Gao
2023-07-26 12:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] perf sched: use the new prev_state_char instead in tracepoint sched_switch Ze Gao
2023-07-26 12:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] libtraceevent: " Ze Gao
2023-07-31 15:40   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-08-01  1:36     ` Ze Gao
2023-07-28 17:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] report task state in symbolic chars from sched tracepoint Ian Rogers
2023-07-31  2:09   ` Ze Gao
2023-07-31  3:52 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2023-07-31  6:19   ` Ze Gao

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