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From: Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	 Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	 Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	 Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
	 Thomas Richter <tmricht@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] Perf stat --null/offline CPU segv related fixes/tests
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2025 17:43:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP-5=fURCzNLC8izLAbu50AV7nhLmCDwaDpfiWkQp3ihgHMNxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aTQRgAOpKyI53TEq@gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 6, 2025 at 3:20 AM Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > * Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ingo reported [1] that `perf stat --null` was segfaulting. Fix the
> > > underlying issue and add a test to the "perf stat tests". Do some
> > > related fixing/cleanup in the perf util cpumap code.
> > >
> > > Thomas reported an issue fixed by the same patches [2] but caused by
> > > giving perf stat an offline CPU. Add test coverage for that and
> > > improve the "error" message that reports "success".
> > >
> > > Ingo further pointed at broken signal handling in repeat mode [3]. I
> > > observed we weren't giving the best exit code, 0 rather than the
> > > expected 128+<signal number>. Add a patch fixing this.
> > >
> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-perf-users/aSwt7yzFjVJCEmVp@gmail.com/
> > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-perf-users/94313b82-888b-4f42-9fb0-4585f9e90080@linux.ibm.com/
> > > [3] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/aS5wjmbAM9ka3M2g@gmail.com/
> > >
> > > Ian Rogers (7):
> > >   perf stat: Allow no events to open if this is a "--null" run
> > >   libperf cpumap: Fix perf_cpu_map__max for an empty/NULL map
> > >   perf cpumap: Add "any" CPU handling to cpu_map__snprint_mask
> > >   perf tests stat: Add "--null" coverage
> > >   perf stat: When no events, don't report an error if there is none
> > >   perf tests stat: Add test for error for an offline CPU
> > >   perf stat: Improve handling of termination by signal
> > >
> > >  tools/lib/perf/cpumap.c        | 10 +++++----
> > >  tools/perf/builtin-stat.c      | 29 ++++++++++++++++++-------
> > >  tools/perf/tests/shell/stat.sh | 39 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >  tools/perf/util/cpumap.c       |  9 ++++++--
> > >  4 files changed, 73 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
> >
> > A belated:
> >
> >   Tested-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> >
> > And thank you a lot for doing these QoL fixes!
>
> There's one more perf stat QoL bug I'd like to report - I frequently
> do repeated runs of perf stat --repeat and grep the output, to get
> a feel for the run-to-run stability of a particular benchmark:
>
>   starship:~/tip> while :; do perf stat --null --repeat 3 sleep 0.1 2>&1 | grep elapsed; done
>          0.1017997 +- 0.0000771 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.08% )
>          0.1017627 +- 0.0000795 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.08% )
>          0.1018106 +- 0.0000650 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>          0.1017844 +- 0.0000601 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>           0.101883 +- 0.000169 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.17% ) <====
>          0.1017757 +- 0.0000532 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.05% )
>          0.1017991 +- 0.0000720 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.07% )
>          0.1018024 +- 0.0000704 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.07% )
>          0.1018074 +- 0.0000946 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.09% )
>          0.1019797 +- 0.0000524 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.05% )
>          0.1018407 +- 0.0000658 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>          0.1017907 +- 0.0000605 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>          0.1018328 +- 0.0000868 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.09% )
>          0.1017469 +- 0.0000285 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.03% )
>          0.1019589 +- 0.0000549 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.05% )
>          0.1018465 +- 0.0000891 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.09% )
>           0.101868 +- 0.000117 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.12% ) <====
>          0.1017705 +- 0.0000590 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>          0.1017728 +- 0.0000718 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.07% )
>          0.1017821 +- 0.0000419 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.04% )
>          0.1018328 +- 0.0000581 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>          0.1017836 +- 0.0000853 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.08% )
>          0.1018124 +- 0.0000765 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.08% )
>          0.1018706 +- 0.0000639 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>
> Note the two outliers, which happen due to some misguided
> output optimization feature in perf shortening zero-ended
> numbers unnecessarily, and adding noise to the grepped
> output's vertical alignment.
>
> Those two lines should be:
>
>          0.1017844 +- 0.0000601 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>          0.1018830 +- 0.0001690 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.17% ) <====
>          0.1017757 +- 0.0000532 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.05% )
>
>          0.1018465 +- 0.0000891 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.09% )
>          0.1018680 +- 0.0001170 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.12% ) <====
>          0.1017705 +- 0.0000590 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.06% )
>
> (The zeroes are printed fully, to full precision.)
>
> Basically random chance causing an apparent lack of significant
> numbers doesn't mean the tool should strip them from the output.

Ugh. I'm not sure why the output is like that. Searching back through
history it seems you are to blame :-)
https://web.git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/perf/perf-tools-next.git/commit/tools/perf/builtin-stat.c?h=perf-tools-next&id=bc22de9bcdb2249150fb5b3c48fdc4f6bedd3ad7

Perhaps we can drop the precision printf flag and just make the flags
fixed. I think this output is obscure enough that nobody cares about
minor changes.

Thanks,
Ian

> Thanks,
>
>         Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-07  1:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-03 21:46 [PATCH v2 0/7] Perf stat --null/offline CPU segv related fixes/tests Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] perf stat: Allow no events to open if this is a "--null" run Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] libperf cpumap: Fix perf_cpu_map__max for an empty/NULL map Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] perf cpumap: Add "any" CPU handling to cpu_map__snprint_mask Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] perf tests stat: Add "--null" coverage Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] perf stat: When no events, don't report an error if there is none Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] perf tests stat: Add test for error for an offline CPU Ian Rogers
2025-12-03 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] perf stat: Improve handling of termination by signal Ian Rogers
2025-12-04  7:51 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Perf stat --null/offline CPU segv related fixes/tests Thomas Richter
2025-12-04 19:10 ` Namhyung Kim
2025-12-06  9:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-12-06 11:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-12-07  1:43     ` Ian Rogers [this message]
2025-12-09  8:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-12-09 17:38         ` Ian Rogers

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