From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>, Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>,
Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
KP Singh <kpsingh@chromium.org>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Namhyung Kim <namhyung@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 bpf-next 0/9] mm/bpf/perf: Store build id in inode object
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 12:41:20 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y/9yIJ9kOHcZqIzo@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230228220714.GJ2825702@dread.disaster.area>
Em Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 09:07:14AM +1100, Dave Chinner escreveu:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:31:57AM +0100, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> > this is RFC patchset for adding build id under inode's object.
> > The main change to previous post [1] is to use inode object instead of file
> > object for build id data.
>
> Please explain what a "build id" is, the use case for it, why we
> need to store it in VFS objects, what threat model it is protecting
> the system against, etc.
[root@quaco ~]# file /bin/bash
/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=160df51238a38ca27d03290f3ad5f7df75560ae0, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped
[root@quaco ~]# file /lib64/libc.so.6
/lib64/libc.so.6: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=8257ee907646e9b057197533d1e4ac8ede7a9c5c, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, not stripped
[root@quaco ~]#
Those BuildID[sha1]= bits, that is present in all binaries I think in
all distros for quite a while.
This page, from when this was initially designed, has a discussion about
it, why it is needed, etc:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RolandMcGrath/BuildID
'perf record' will receive MMAP records, initially without build-ids,
now we have one that has, but collecting it when the mmap is executed
(and thus a PERF_RECORD_MMAP* record is emitted) may not work, thus this
work from Jiri.
- Arnaldo
> >
> > However.. ;-) while using inode as build id storage place saves some memory
> > by keeping just one copy of the build id for all file instances, there seems
> > to be another problem.
> Yes, the problem being that we can cache hundreds of millions of
> inodes in memory, and only a very small subset of them are going to
> have open files associated with them. And an even smaller subset are
> going to be mmapped.
> So, in reality, this proposal won't save any memory at all - it
> costs memory for every inode that is not currently being used as
> a mmapped elf executable, right?
>
> > The problem is that we read the build id when the file is mmap-ed.
>
> Why? I'm completely clueless as to what this thing does or how it's
> used....
>
> > Which is fine for our use case,
>
> Which is?
>
> -Dave.
> --
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-01 15:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-28 9:31 [RFC v2 bpf-next 0/9] mm/bpf/perf: Store build id in inode object Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:31 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 1/9] mm: " Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 19:13 ` Andrew Morton
2023-03-01 8:16 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:31 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 2/9] bpf: Use file's inode object build id in stackmap Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 3/9] perf: Use file object build id in perf_event_mmap_event Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 4/9] libbpf: Allow to resolve binary path in current directory Jiri Olsa
2023-03-08 1:19 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-03-08 13:48 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 5/9] selftests/bpf: Add read_buildid function Jiri Olsa
2023-03-08 1:22 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-03-08 13:49 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 6/9] selftests/bpf: Add err.h header Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 7/9] selftests/bpf: Replace extract_build_id with read_build_id Jiri Olsa
2023-03-08 1:26 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-03-08 13:51 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 8/9] selftests/bpf: Add inode_build_id test Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 9:32 ` [PATCH RFC v2 bpf-next 9/9] selftests/bpf: Add iter_task_vma_buildid test Jiri Olsa
2023-03-08 1:32 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-03-08 14:00 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-02-28 22:07 ` [RFC v2 bpf-next 0/9] mm/bpf/perf: Store build id in inode object Dave Chinner
2023-03-01 15:41 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [this message]
2023-03-02 8:41 ` Jiri Olsa
2023-03-02 8:35 ` Jiri Olsa
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