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From: Chih-En Lin <shiyn.lin@gmail.com>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/14] Introduce Copy-On-Write to Page Table
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:02:17 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+aUuVLEXmRhHlC9@zhienlin-MacBook-Pro.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+Z8ymNYc+vJMBx8@strix-laptop>

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 01:20:10AM +0800, Chih-En Lin wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:21:16AM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> > > > > Currently, copy-on-write is only used for the mapped memory; the child
> > > > > process still needs to copy the entire page table from the parent
> > > > > process during forking. The parent process might take a lot of time and
> > > > > memory to copy the page table when the parent has a big page table
> > > > > allocated. For example, the memory usage of a process after forking with
> > > > > 1 GB mapped memory is as follows:
> > > >
> > > > For some reason, I was not able to reproduce performance improvements
> > > > with a simple fork() performance measurement program. The results that
> > > > I saw are the following:
> > > >
> > > > Base:
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004416 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004382 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004442 seconds
> > > > COW kernel:
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004524 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004764 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004547 seconds
> > > >
> > > > AMD EPYC 7B12 64-Core Processor
> > > > Base:
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.003923 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.003909 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.003955 seconds
> > > > COW kernel:
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.004221 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.003882 seconds
> > > > Fork latency per gigabyte: 0.003854 seconds
> > > >
> > > > Given, that page table for child is not copied, I was expecting the
> > > > performance to be better with COW kernel, and also not to depend on
> > > > the size of the parent.
> > >
> > > Yes, the child won't duplicate the page table, but fork will still
> > > traverse all the page table entries to do the accounting.
> > > And, since this patch expends the COW to the PTE table level, it's not
> > > the mapped page (page table entry) grained anymore, so we have to
> > > guarantee that all the mapped page is available to do COW mapping in
> > > the such page table.
> > > This kind of checking also costs some time.
> > > As a result, since the accounting and the checking, the COW PTE fork
> > > still depends on the size of the parent so the improvement might not
> > > be significant.
> > 
> > The current version of the series does not provide any performance
> > improvements for fork(). I would recommend removing claims from the
> > cover letter about better fork() performance, as this may be
> > misleading for those looking for a way to speed up forking. In my
> 
> From v3 to v4, I changed the implementation of the COW fork() part to do

Sorry, it's "RFC v2 to v3".

> the accounting and checking. At the time, I also removed most of the
> descriptions about the better fork() performance. Maybe it's not enough
> and still has some misleading. I will fix this in the next version.
> Thanks.

Thanks,
Chih-En Lin

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-10 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-07  3:51 [PATCH v4 00/14] Introduce Copy-On-Write to Page Table Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] mm: Allow user to control COW PTE via prctl Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] mm: Add Copy-On-Write PTE to fork() Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] mm: Add break COW PTE fault and helper functions Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] mm/rmap: Break COW PTE in rmap walking Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] mm/khugepaged: Break COW PTE before scanning pte Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] mm/ksm: Break COW PTE before modify shared PTE Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] mm/madvise: Handle COW-ed PTE with madvise() Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] mm/gup: Trigger break COW PTE before calling follow_pfn_pte() Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] mm/mprotect: Break COW PTE before changing protection Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] mm/userfaultfd: Support COW PTE Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] mm/migrate_device: " Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] fs/proc: Support COW PTE with clear_refs_write Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] events/uprobes: Break COW PTE before replacing page Chih-En Lin
2023-02-07  3:51 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] mm: fork: Enable COW PTE to fork system call Chih-En Lin
2023-02-09 18:15 ` [PATCH v4 00/14] Introduce Copy-On-Write to Page Table Pasha Tatashin
2023-02-10  2:17   ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-10 16:21     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-02-10 17:20       ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-10 19:02         ` Chih-En Lin [this message]
2023-02-14  9:58         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 13:07           ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-02-14 13:17             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 15:59           ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-14 16:30             ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-02-14 18:41               ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-14 18:52                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-02-14 19:17                   ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-14 16:58             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 17:03               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 17:56                 ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-14 17:54               ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-14 17:59                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 19:06                   ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-14 17:23           ` Yang Shi
2023-02-14 17:39             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 18:25               ` Yang Shi

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