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This would be easy > to implement in the event of any issues arising. I'm becoming less keen on the idea of a per-subsystem opt out. I think we should make a kernel wide opt out. I like the idea of using lower lockdown levels. Lots of things become unavaiable in the uAPI when the lockdown level increases already. > Jason will have some thoughts on this I'm sure. I guess the key question > here is - is it actually feasible for this to work at all? Once we > establish that, the rest are details :) Surely it is, but like Ted said, the FS folks are not interested and they are at least half the solution.. The FS also has to actively not write out the page while it cannot be write protected unless it copies the data to a stable page. The block stack needs the source data to be stable to do checksum/parity/etc stuff. It is a complicated subject. Jason