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From: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
To: Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
Cc: "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Yongwei Ma <yongwei.ma@intel.com>,
	Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch v5 0/6] Bug fixes on topdown events reordering
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:13:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zv8XIZAwfoTtzOl4@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP-5=fU7_RqcG+YO4C=FP_cy__eSd=ieJ_pOe4J-s2zh=sybsw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 03, 2024 at 02:26:29PM -0700, Ian Rogers wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 12:45 PM Liang, Kan <kan.liang@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2024-10-03 12:45 p.m., Namhyung Kim wrote:
> > >>> If the algorithms cannot be changed, can you please give some
> > >>> suggestions, especially for the sample read failure?
> > >> So this is symmetric:
> > >> ```
> > >> if (arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && !arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs))
> > >>   return -1;
> > >> if (!arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs))
> > >>   return 1;
> > >> ```
> > >> That is were lhs and rhs swapped then you'd get the expected comparison order.
> > >> ```
> > >> if (arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && !arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs) &&
> > >> lhs->core.leader != rhs->core.leader)
> > >>   return -1;
> > >> if (!arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs) &&
> > >> lhs->core.leader != rhs->core.leader)
> > >>   return 1;
> > >> ```
> > >> Is symmetric as well.
> > >> ```
> > >> if (arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && !arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs))
> > >>   return -1;
> > >> if (!arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs) &&
> > >> lhs->core.leader != rhs->core.leader)
> > >>   return 1;
> > >> ```
> > >> (what this patch does) is not symmetric as the group leader impacts
> > >> the greater-than case but not the less-than case.
> > >>
> > >> It is not uncommon to see in a sort function:
> > >> ```
> > >> if (cmp(a, b) <= 0) {
> > >>   assert(cmp(b,a) >= 0 && "check for unstable/broken compare functions");
> > >> ```
> > > I see.  So are you proposing this?
> > >
> > > diff --git a/tools/perf/arch/x86/util/evlist.c b/tools/perf/arch/x86/util/evlist.c
> > > index 438e4639fa892304..46884fa17fe658a6 100644
> > > --- a/tools/perf/arch/x86/util/evlist.c
> > > +++ b/tools/perf/arch/x86/util/evlist.c
> > > @@ -70,7 +70,8 @@ int arch_evlist__cmp(const struct evsel *lhs, const struct evsel *rhs)
> > >                 if (arch_is_topdown_slots(rhs))
> > >                         return 1;
> > >                 /* Followed by topdown events. */
> > > -               if (arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && !arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs))
> > > +               if (arch_is_topdown_metrics(lhs) && !arch_is_topdown_metrics(rhs) &&
> > > +                   lhs->core.leader != rhs->core.leader)
> > >                         return -1;
> > >                 /*
> > >                  * Move topdown events forward only when topdown events
> > >
> > > Dapeng and Kan, can you verify if it's ok?  My quick tests look ok.
> >
> > I verified the above change. It works well.
> >
> > Tested-by: Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>

Thanks for the check!

> 
> Dapeng's comment should cover replace the comment /* Followed by
> topdown events. */ but there are other things amiss. I'm thinking of
> something like: "slots,cycles,{instructions,topdown-be-bound}" the
> topdown-be-bound should get sorted and grouped with slots, but cycles
> and instructions have no reason to be reordered, so do we end up with
> slots, instructions and topdown-be-bound being grouped with cycles
> sitting ungrouped in the middle of the evlist? I believe there are
> assumptions that grouped evsels are adjacent in the evlist, not least
> in:
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/perf/perf-tools-next.git/tree/tools/perf/util/parse-events.c?h=perf-tools-next#n2106
> Does cycles instructions end up being broken out of a group in this
> case? Which feels like the case the code was trying to avoid.

I got this:

  $ sudo ./perf record -a -e "slots,cycles,{instructions,topdown-be-bound}" true
  Error:
  The sys_perf_event_open() syscall returned with 22 (Invalid argument) for event (topdown-be-bound).
  "dmesg | grep -i perf" may provide additional information.

Thanks,
Namhyung


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-03 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-13  8:47 [Patch v5 0/6] Bug fixes on topdown events reordering Dapeng Mi
2024-09-13  8:47 ` [Patch v5 1/6] perf x86/topdown: Complete topdown slots/metrics events check Dapeng Mi
2024-10-08  5:55   ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-09  9:56     ` Mi, Dapeng
2024-09-13  8:47 ` [Patch v5 2/6] perf x86/topdown: Correct leader selection with sample_read enabled Dapeng Mi
2024-09-13  8:47 ` [Patch v5 3/6] perf x86/topdown: Don't move topdown metric events in group Dapeng Mi
2024-09-13  8:47 ` [Patch v5 4/6] perf tests: Add leader sampling test in record tests Dapeng Mi
2024-09-13  8:47 ` [Patch v5 5/6] perf tests: Add topdown events counting and sampling tests Dapeng Mi
2024-09-13  8:47 ` [Patch v5 6/6] perf tests: Add more topdown events regroup tests Dapeng Mi
2024-10-01 21:02 ` [Patch v5 0/6] Bug fixes on topdown events reordering Namhyung Kim
2024-10-01 22:32   ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-02 14:31     ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-03  0:00     ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-03  0:57       ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-03 14:57         ` Liang, Kan
2024-10-03 15:55           ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-03 16:45             ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-03 19:45               ` Liang, Kan
2024-10-03 21:26                 ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-03 22:13                   ` Namhyung Kim [this message]
2024-10-03 23:29                     ` Liang, Kan
2024-10-03 23:36                       ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-04  5:19                         ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-08  2:52                         ` Mi, Dapeng1
2024-10-08  5:13                           ` Ian Rogers
2024-10-08  2:31                   ` Mi, Dapeng1
2024-10-08  2:30                 ` Mi, Dapeng1

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