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From: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
To: Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>, Xu Yang <xu.yang_2@nxp.com>,
	Chun-Tse Shao <ctshao@google.com>,
	Thomas Richter <tmricht@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sumanth Korikkar <sumanthk@linux.ibm.com>,
	Collin Funk <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Falcon <thomas.falcon@intel.com>,
	Howard Chu <howardchu95@gmail.com>,
	Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
	Levi Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>,
	Yang Li <yang.lee@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Weilin Wang <weilin.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/18]
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 17:08:11 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRPd-7nVSrKEwUDN@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP-5=fWQqsAHZvyxu6db5Qyfx0n-2pNeYDP7u_WtpxKr2TLHxA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 03:13:35PM -0800, Ian Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 2:42 PM Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 01:21:48PM -0800, Ian Rogers wrote:
> > > Prior to this series stat-shadow would produce hard coded metrics if
> > > certain events appeared in the evlist. This series produces equivalent
> > > json metrics and cleans up the consequences in tests and display
> > > output. A before and after of the default display output on a
> > > tigerlake is:
> > >
> > > Before:
> > > ```
> > > $ perf stat -a sleep 1
> > >
> > >  Performance counter stats for 'system wide':
> > >
> > >     16,041,816,418      cpu-clock                        #   15.995 CPUs utilized
> > >              5,749      context-switches                 #  358.376 /sec
> > >                121      cpu-migrations                   #    7.543 /sec
> > >              1,806      page-faults                      #  112.581 /sec
> > >        825,965,204      instructions                     #    0.70  insn per cycle
> > >      1,180,799,101      cycles                           #    0.074 GHz
> > >        168,945,109      branches                         #   10.532 M/sec
> > >          4,629,567      branch-misses                    #    2.74% of all branches
> > >  #     30.2 %  tma_backend_bound
> > >                                                   #      7.8 %  tma_bad_speculation
> > >                                                   #     47.1 %  tma_frontend_bound
> > >  #     14.9 %  tma_retiring
> > > ```
> > >
> > > After:
> > > ```
> > > $ perf stat -a sleep 1
> > >
> > >  Performance counter stats for 'system wide':
> > >
> > >              2,890      context-switches                 #    179.9 cs/sec  cs_per_second
> > >     16,061,923,339      cpu-clock                        #     16.0 CPUs  CPUs_utilized
> > >                 43      cpu-migrations                   #      2.7 migrations/sec  migrations_per_second
> > >              5,645      page-faults                      #    351.5 faults/sec  page_faults_per_second
> > >          5,708,413      branch-misses                    #      1.4 %  branch_miss_rate         (88.83%)
> > >        429,978,120      branches                         #     26.8 M/sec  branch_frequency     (88.85%)
> > >      1,626,915,897      cpu-cycles                       #      0.1 GHz  cycles_frequency       (88.84%)
> > >      2,556,805,534      instructions                     #      1.5 instructions  insn_per_cycle  (88.86%)
> > >                         TopdownL1                 #     20.1 %  tma_backend_bound
> > >                                                   #     40.5 %  tma_bad_speculation      (88.90%)
> > >                                                   #     17.2 %  tma_frontend_bound       (78.05%)
> > >                                                   #     22.2 %  tma_retiring             (88.89%)
> > >
> > >        1.002994394 seconds time elapsed
> > > ```
> > >
> > > Having the metrics in json brings greater uniformity, allows events to
> > > be shared by metrics, and it also allows descriptions like:
> > > ```
> > > $ perf list cs_per_second
> > > ...
> > >   cs_per_second
> > >        [Context switches per CPU second]
> > > ```
> > >
> > > A thorn in the side of doing this work was that the hard coded metrics
> > > were used by perf script with '-F metric'. This functionality didn't
> > > work for me (I was testing `perf record -e instructions,cycles`
> > > with/without leader sampling and then `perf script -F metric` but saw
> > > nothing but empty lines) but anyway I decided to fix it to the best of
> > > my ability in this series. So the script side counters were removed
> > > and the regular ones associated with the evsel used. The json metrics
> > > were all searched looking for ones that have a subset of events
> > > matching those in the perf script session, and all metrics are
> > > printed. This is kind of weird as the counters are being set by the
> > > period of samples, but I carried the behavior forward. I suspect there
> > > needs to be follow up work to make this better, but what is in the
> > > series is superior to what is currently in the tree. Follow up work
> > > could include finding metrics for the machine in the perf.data rather
> > > than using the host, allowing multiple metrics even if the metric ids
> > > of the events differ, fixing pre-existing `perf stat record/report`
> > > issues, etc.
> > >
> > > There is a lot of stat tests that, for example, assume '-e
> > > instructions,cycles' will produce an IPC metric. These things needed
> > > tidying as now the metric must be explicitly asked for and when doing
> > > this ones using software events were preferred to increase
> > > compatibility. As the test updates were numerous they are distinct to
> > > the patches updating the functionality causing periods in the series
> > > where not all tests are passing. If this is undesirable the test fixes
> > > can be squashed into the functionality updates, but this will be kind
> > > of messy, especially as at some points in the series both the old
> > > metrics and the new metrics will be displayed.
> > >
> > > v4: K/sec to M/sec on branch frequency (Namhyung), perf script -F
> > >     metric to-done a system-wide calculation (Namhyung) and don't
> > >     crash because of the CPU map index couldn't be found. Regenerate
> > >     commit messages but the cpu-clock was always yielding 0 on my
> > >     machine leading to a lot of nan metric values.
> >
> > This is strange.  The cpu-clock should not be 0 as long as you ran it.
> > Do you think it's related to the scale unit change?  I tested v3 and
> > didn't see the problem.
> 
> It looked like a kernel issue. The raw counts were 0 before being
> scaled. All metrics always work on unscaled values. It is only the
> commit messages and the formatting is more important than the numeric
> values - which were correct for a cpu-clock of 0.

Hmm.. ok.  I don't see the problem when I test the series so it may be
a problem in your environment.

Thanks,
Namhyung


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-12  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-11 21:21 [PATCH v4 00/18] Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 01/18] perf metricgroup: Add care to picking the evsel for displaying a metric Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 02/18] perf expr: Add #target_cpu literal Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 03/18] perf jevents: Add set of common metrics based on default ones Ian Rogers
2025-11-14 16:28   ` James Clark
2025-11-14 16:57     ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-15 17:52       ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-16  3:29         ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-18  1:36           ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-18  2:28             ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-18  7:29               ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-18 10:57                 ` James Clark
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 04/18] perf jevents: Add metric DefaultShowEvents Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 05/18] perf stat: Add detail -d,-dd,-ddd metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 06/18] perf script: Change metric format to use json metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 07/18] perf stat: Remove hard coded shadow metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 08/18] perf stat: Fix default metricgroup display on hybrid Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 09/18] perf stat: Sort default events/metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 10/18] perf stat: Remove "unit" workarounds for metric-only Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 11/18] perf test stat+json: Improve metric-only testing Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 12/18] perf test stat: Ignore failures in Default[234] metricgroups Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 13/18] perf test stat: Update std_output testing metric expectations Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 14/18] perf test metrics: Update all metrics for possibly failing default metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 15/18] perf test stat: Update shadow test to use metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 16/18] perf test stat: Update test expectations and events Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 17/18] perf test stat csv: " Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 18/18] perf tool_pmu: Make core_wide and target_cpu json events Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 22:42 ` [PATCH v4 00/18] Namhyung Kim
2025-11-11 23:13   ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-12  1:08     ` Namhyung Kim [this message]
2025-11-12  8:20     ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-11-12  9:03 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-11-12 17:56 ` Namhyung Kim

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