From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 28/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Load/save GLOBAL_CTRL via entry/exit fields for mediated PMU
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 09:08:16 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aSXigAQznhuxZmy7@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83067602-325a-4655-a1b7-e6bd6a31eed4@linux.intel.com>
On Tue, Nov 25, 2025, Dapeng Mi wrote:
> On 11/25/2025 9:48 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >> + if (host_pmu->version < 4 || !(host_perf_cap & PERF_CAP_FW_WRITES))
> >> + return false;
> >> +
> >> + /*
> >> + * All CPUs that support a mediated PMU are expected to support loading
> >> + * and saving PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL via dedicated VMCS fields.
> >> + */
> >> + if (WARN_ON_ONCE(!cpu_has_load_perf_global_ctrl() ||
> >> + !cpu_has_save_perf_global_ctrl()))
> >> + return false;
> > And so this WARN fires due to cpu_has_save_perf_global_ctrl() being false. The
> > bad changelog is mine, but the code isn't entirely my fault. I did suggest the
> > WARN in v3[1], probably because I forgot when PMU v4 was introduced and no one
> > corrected me.
> >
> > v4 of the series[2] then made cpu_has_save_perf_global_ctrl() a hard requirement,
> > based on my miguided feedback.
> >
> > * Only support GLOBAL_CTRL save/restore with VMCS exec_ctrl, drop the MSR
> > save/retore list support for GLOBAL_CTRL, thus the support of mediated
> > vPMU is constrained to SapphireRapids and later CPUs on Intel side.
> >
> > Doubly frustrating is that this was discussed in the original RFC, where Jim
> > pointed out[3] that requiring VM_EXIT_SAVE_IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL would prevent
> > enabling the mediated PMU on Skylake+, and I completely forgot that conversation
> > by the time v3 of the series rolled around :-(
>
> VM_EXIT_SAVE_IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL is introduced from SPR and later. I
> remember the original requirements includes to support Skylake and Icelake,
> but I ever thought there were some offline sync and the requirement changed...
Two things:
1) Upstream's "requirements" are not the same as Google's requirements (or those
of any company/individual). Upstream most definitely is influenced by the
needs and desires of end users, but ultimately the decision to do something
(or not) is one that needs to be made by the upstream community.
2) Decisions made off-list need to be summarized and communicated on-list,
especially in cases like this where it's a relatively minor detail in a
large series/feature, and thus easy to overlook.
I'll follow-up internally to make sure these points are well-understood by Google
folks as well (at least, those working on KVM).
> My bad,
Eh, this was a group "effort". I'm as much to blame as anyone else.
> I should double confirm this at then.
No need, as above, Google's requirements (assuming the requirements you're referring
to are coming from Google people) are effectively just one data point. At this
point, I want to drive the decision to support Sylake+ (or not) purely through
discussion of upstream patches.
> > As mentioned in the discussion with Jim, _if_ PMU v4 was introduced with ICX (or
> > later), then I'd be in favor of making VM_EXIT_SAVE_IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL a hard
> > requirement. But losing supporting Skylake+ is a bit much.
> >
> > There are a few warts with nVMX's use of the auto-store list that need to be
> > cleaned up, but on the plus side it's also a good excuse to clean up
> > {add,clear}_atomic_switch_msr(), which have accumulated some cruft and quite a
> > bit of duplicate code. And while I still dislike using the auto-store list, the
> > code isn't as ugly as it was back in v3 because we _can_ make the "load" VMCS
> > controls mandatory without losing support for any CPUs (they predate PMU v4).
>
> Yes, xxx_atomic_switch_msr() helpers need to be cleaned up and optimized. I
> suppose we can have an independent patch-set to clean up and support
> global_ctrl with auto-store list for Skylake and Icelake.
I have the code written (I wanted to see how much complexity it would add before
re-opening this discussion). My plan is to put the Skylake+ support at the end
of the series, not a separate series, so that it can be reviewed in one shot.
E.g. if we can make a change in the "main" series that would simplify Skylake+
support, then I'd prefer to find and implement any such change right away.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-25 17:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-06 19:56 [PATCH v5 00/44] KVM: x86: Add support for mediated vPMUs Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 01/44] perf: Skip pmu_ctx based on event_type Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 02/44] perf: Add generic exclude_guest support Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 03/44] perf: Move security_perf_event_free() call to __free_event() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 04/44] perf: Add APIs to create/release mediated guest vPMUs Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 05/44] perf: Clean up perf ctx time Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 06/44] perf: Add a EVENT_GUEST flag Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 07/44] perf: Add APIs to load/put guest mediated PMU context Sean Christopherson
2025-08-08 7:30 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 08/44] perf: core/x86: Register a new vector for handling mediated guest PMIs Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 09/44] perf/x86: Switch LVTPC to/from mediated PMI vector on guest load/put context Sean Christopherson
2025-08-15 11:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-15 15:41 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-15 15:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-18 15:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 16:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-18 20:07 ` Liang, Kan
2025-11-19 21:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-15 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-15 15:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 10/44] perf/x86/core: Do not set bit width for unavailable counters Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 11/44] perf/x86/core: Plumb mediated PMU capability from x86_pmu to x86_pmu_cap Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 12/44] perf/x86/intel: Support PERF_PMU_CAP_MEDIATED_VPMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 13/44] perf/x86/amd: Support PERF_PMU_CAP_MEDIATED_VPMU for AMD host Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 14/44] KVM: VMX: Setup canonical VMCS config prior to kvm_x86_vendor_init() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 15/44] KVM: SVM: Check pmu->version, not enable_pmu, when getting PMC MSRs Sean Christopherson
2025-08-13 9:58 ` Sandipan Das
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 16/44] KVM: Add a simplified wrapper for registering perf callbacks Sean Christopherson
2025-08-22 10:32 ` Anup Patel
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 17/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Snapshot host (i.e. perf's) reported PMU capabilities Sean Christopherson
2025-08-13 9:56 ` Sandipan Das
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 18/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Start stubbing in mediated PMU support Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 19/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement Intel mediated PMU requirements and constraints Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 20/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Implement AMD mediated PMU requirements Sean Christopherson
2025-08-13 9:49 ` Sandipan Das
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 21/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Register PMI handler for mediated vPMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 22/44] KVM: x86: Rename vmx_vmentry/vmexit_ctrl() helpers Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 23/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Move PMU_CAP_{FW_WRITES,LBR_FMT} into msr-index.h header Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 24/44] KVM: x86: Rework KVM_REQ_MSR_FILTER_CHANGED into a generic RECALC_INTERCEPTS Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 25/44] KVM: x86: Use KVM_REQ_RECALC_INTERCEPTS to react to CPUID updates Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 26/44] KVM: VMX: Add helpers to toggle/change a bit in VMCS execution controls Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 27/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Disable RDPMC interception for compatible mediated vPMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 28/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Load/save GLOBAL_CTRL via entry/exit fields for mediated PMU Sean Christopherson
2025-11-25 1:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-11-25 5:02 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-11-25 17:08 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-11-26 0:23 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 29/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Use BIT_ULL() instead of open coded equivalents Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 30/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Move initialization of valid PMCs bitmask to common x86 Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 31/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Restrict GLOBAL_{CTRL,STATUS}, fixed PMCs, and PEBS to PMU v2+ Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 32/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Disable interception of select PMU MSRs for mediated vPMUs Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26 7:12 ` Sandipan Das
2025-10-01 18:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03 5:03 ` Sandipan Das
2025-10-09 2:19 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-10-15 18:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-16 0:04 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 33/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Bypass perf checks when emulating mediated PMU counter accesses Sean Christopherson
2025-08-13 10:01 ` Sandipan Das
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 34/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Introduce eventsel_hw to prepare for pmu event filtering Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 35/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Reprogram mediated PMU event selectors on event filter updates Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 36/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Always stuff GuestOnly=1,HostOnly=0 for mediated PMCs on AMD Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:56 ` [PATCH v5 37/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Load/put mediated PMU context when entering/exiting guest Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 38/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Disallow emulation in the fastpath if mediated PMCs are active Sean Christopherson
2025-08-13 9:53 ` Sandipan Das
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 39/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Handle emulated instruction for mediated vPMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 40/44] KVM: nVMX: Add macros to simplify nested MSR interception setting Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 41/44] KVM: nVMX: Disable PMU MSR interception as appropriate while running L2 Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 42/44] KVM: nSVM: " Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 43/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Expose enable_mediated_pmu parameter to user space Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 19:57 ` [PATCH v5 44/44] KVM: x86/pmu: Elide WRMSRs when loading guest PMCs if values already match Sean Christopherson
2025-11-14 6:19 ` Manali Shukla
2025-08-08 8:28 ` [PATCH v5 00/44] KVM: x86: Add support for mediated vPMUs Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-08 8:35 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-13 9:45 ` Sandipan Das
2025-08-22 8:12 ` Hao, Xudong
2025-09-19 0:10 ` Sean Christopherson
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