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From: Calvin Owens <calvin@wbinvd.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] perf: Don't throttle based on NMI watchdog events
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:10:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acwOMB74ZwvuQyRC@mozart.vkv.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acwC2R63DVoZVf-l@mozart.vkv.me>

On Tuesday 03/31 at 10:22 -0700, Calvin Owens wrote:
> On Tuesday 03/31 at 08:25 -0700, Calvin Owens wrote:
> > @@ -663,6 +666,17 @@ void perf_sample_event_took(u64 sample_len_ns)
> >  	if (avg_len <= max_len)
> >  		return;
> >  
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Very infrequent events like the perf counter hard watchdog
> > +	 * can trigger spurious throttling: skip throttling if the prior
> > +	 * NMI got here more than one second before this NMI began.
> > +	 */
> > +	now = local_clock();
> > +	delta = now - __this_cpu_read(last_throttle_clock);
> > +	__this_cpu_write(last_throttle_clock, now);
> > +	if (delta - sample_len_ns > NSEC_PER_SEC)
> > +		return;
> 
> Bah, Sashiko caught something obvious I missed:
> 
> https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/cover.1774969692.git.calvin%40wbinvd.org
> 
> >> When the outer handler completes, its sample_len_ns (total execution
> >> time) will be strictly greater than delta (time since the inner
> >> handler finished).  This guarantees delta < sample_len_ns, causing the
> >> subtraction to underflow to a massive positive value.
> >>
> >> The condition > NSEC_PER_SEC will then evaluate to true, and the outer
> >> handler will erroneously skip the perf throttling logic. Should this
> >> check be rewritten to avoid subtraction, perhaps by using if (delta >
> >> sample_len_ns + NSEC_PER_SEC)?
> 
> The solution it proposed makes sense to me.

I replied too quickly: I think Sashiko is actually wrong.

It is assuming that sample_len_ns includes the latency of
perf_sample_event_took(), but it does not.

Nesting in the middle of the RMW of the percpu value strictly makes
last_throttle_clock appear to have happened *sooner* to the outer NMI,
so I think that case works.

Thanks, apologies again for all the noise here,
Calvin

> >  	__report_avg = avg_len;
> >  	__report_allowed = max_len;
> >  
> > -- 
> > 2.47.3
> > 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-31 18:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-31 15:25 [PATCH 0/2] Two semi-related perf throttling fixes Calvin Owens
2026-03-31 15:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86: Avoid double accounting of PMU NMI latencies Calvin Owens
2026-03-31 15:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf: Don't throttle based on NMI watchdog events Calvin Owens
2026-03-31 17:22   ` Calvin Owens
2026-03-31 17:43     ` Calvin Owens
2026-03-31 18:10     ` Calvin Owens [this message]
2026-03-31 21:07       ` Calvin Owens
2026-04-01  8:01 ` [PATCH 0/2] Two semi-related perf throttling fixes Andi Kleen

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