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From: "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@intel.com>
To: "Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>, "bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"ak@linux.intel.com" <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
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	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	"Bityutskiy, Artem" <artem.bityutskiy@intel.com>,
	"kan.liang@linux.intel.com" <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Meteor Lake
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 14:07:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b046750234086000acff8e52b817d8dc7b7efbe9.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a375b136-c4da-0676-7a67-d2308c012b8b@intel.com>

On Fri, 2023-01-06 at 06:50 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 1/6/23 06:38, Zhang, Rui wrote:
> > My original proposal is that, instead of maintaining model lists in
> > a
> > series of different drivers, can we use feature flags instead, and
> > maintain them in a central place instead of different drivers. say,
> > something like
> > 
> > static const struct x86_cpu_id intel_pm_features[] __initconst = {
> >         X86_MATCH_INTEL_FAM6_MODEL(SKYLAKE_L,           X86_FEATURE
> > _RAPL | X86_FEATURE_TCC_COOLING),
> >         X86_MATCH_INTEL_FAM6_MODEL(SKYLAKE_X,           X86_FEATURE
> > _RAPL | X86_FEATURE_UNCORE_FREQ),
> >         ...
> >         X86_MATCH_INTEL_FAM6_MODEL(ALDERLAKE,           X86_FEATURE
> > _RAPL | X86_FEATURE_TCC_COOLING),
> >         X86_MATCH_INTEL_FAM6_MODEL(SAPPHIRERAPIDS_X,    X86_FEATURE
> > _RAPL | X86_FEATURE_UNCORE_FREQ),
> >         ...
> >         {},
> > };
> > And then set the feature flags based on this, and make the drivers
> > test
> > the feature flags.
> 
> That works if you have very few features.  SKYLAKE_X looks to have on
> the order of 15 model-specific features, or at least references in
> the code.
> 
> That means that the
> 
> 	X86_MATCH_INTEL_FAM6_MODEL(SKYLAKE_X, ...
> 
> list goes on for 15 features.  It's even worse than that because
> you'd
> *like* to be able to scan up and down the list looking for, say, "all
> the CPUs that support RAPL".  But, if you do that, you actually need
> a
> table -- a really wide table -- for *all* the features and a column
> for
> each.

That's true.

> 
> What we have now isn't bad.  The only real way to fix this is to have
> the features enumerated *properly*, aka. architecturally.
> 
> I get it, Intel doesn't want to dedicate CPUID bits and architecture
> to
> one-offs.

> But, at the point that there are a dozen CPU models across
> three or four different CPU generations, it's time to revisit
> it.  Could
> you help our colleagues revisit it, please?

For this RAPL case, I think the biggest problem is the RAPL
*incompatibilities* between model variants as Ingo pointed out.
So a CPUID bit can not solve all the problems.

But given that the biggest inconsistency is the energy unit used on
different generations, I can also check with our colleagues if there is
a software visible way to get the "fixed" energy units rather than
hardcoding it in the driver using a model list.

thanks,
rui

      reply	other threads:[~2023-01-07 14:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-04 14:58 [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Meteor Lake Zhang Rui
2023-01-04 14:58 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Emerald Rapids Zhang Rui
2023-01-04 16:55 ` [PATCH 1/2] perf/x86/rapl: Add support for Intel Meteor Lake Dave Hansen
2023-01-05  6:54   ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-05  9:55     ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06  6:05       ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-06 10:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-01-06 10:39         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2023-01-06 11:11             ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06 11:33               ` Ingo Molnar
2023-01-06 14:45                 ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-06 14:38           ` Zhang, Rui
2023-01-06 14:49             ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-06 14:50             ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-07 14:07               ` Zhang, Rui [this message]

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