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From: "Mi, Dapeng" <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>
To: Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>, Xu Yang <xu.yang_2@nxp.com>,
	Chun-Tse Shao <ctshao@google.com>,
	Thomas Richter <tmricht@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sumanth Korikkar <sumanthk@linux.ibm.com>,
	Collin Funk <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Falcon <thomas.falcon@intel.com>,
	Howard Chu <howardchu95@gmail.com>,
	Levi Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>,
	Yang Li <yang.lee@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Weilin Wang <weilin.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/18]
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 16:20:44 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b81536bd-6e03-431d-9f9f-5d048fd69f2f@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP-5=fWQqsAHZvyxu6db5Qyfx0n-2pNeYDP7u_WtpxKr2TLHxA@mail.gmail.com>


On 11/12/2025 7:13 AM, Ian Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 2:42 PM Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 01:21:48PM -0800, Ian Rogers wrote:
>>> Prior to this series stat-shadow would produce hard coded metrics if
>>> certain events appeared in the evlist. This series produces equivalent
>>> json metrics and cleans up the consequences in tests and display
>>> output. A before and after of the default display output on a
>>> tigerlake is:
>>>
>>> Before:
>>> ```
>>> $ perf stat -a sleep 1
>>>
>>>  Performance counter stats for 'system wide':
>>>
>>>     16,041,816,418      cpu-clock                        #   15.995 CPUs utilized
>>>              5,749      context-switches                 #  358.376 /sec
>>>                121      cpu-migrations                   #    7.543 /sec
>>>              1,806      page-faults                      #  112.581 /sec
>>>        825,965,204      instructions                     #    0.70  insn per cycle
>>>      1,180,799,101      cycles                           #    0.074 GHz
>>>        168,945,109      branches                         #   10.532 M/sec
>>>          4,629,567      branch-misses                    #    2.74% of all branches
>>>  #     30.2 %  tma_backend_bound
>>>                                                   #      7.8 %  tma_bad_speculation
>>>                                                   #     47.1 %  tma_frontend_bound
>>>  #     14.9 %  tma_retiring
>>> ```
>>>
>>> After:
>>> ```
>>> $ perf stat -a sleep 1
>>>
>>>  Performance counter stats for 'system wide':
>>>
>>>              2,890      context-switches                 #    179.9 cs/sec  cs_per_second
>>>     16,061,923,339      cpu-clock                        #     16.0 CPUs  CPUs_utilized
>>>                 43      cpu-migrations                   #      2.7 migrations/sec  migrations_per_second
>>>              5,645      page-faults                      #    351.5 faults/sec  page_faults_per_second
>>>          5,708,413      branch-misses                    #      1.4 %  branch_miss_rate         (88.83%)
>>>        429,978,120      branches                         #     26.8 M/sec  branch_frequency     (88.85%)
>>>      1,626,915,897      cpu-cycles                       #      0.1 GHz  cycles_frequency       (88.84%)
>>>      2,556,805,534      instructions                     #      1.5 instructions  insn_per_cycle  (88.86%)
>>>                         TopdownL1                 #     20.1 %  tma_backend_bound
>>>                                                   #     40.5 %  tma_bad_speculation      (88.90%)
>>>                                                   #     17.2 %  tma_frontend_bound       (78.05%)
>>>                                                   #     22.2 %  tma_retiring             (88.89%)
>>>
>>>        1.002994394 seconds time elapsed
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Having the metrics in json brings greater uniformity, allows events to
>>> be shared by metrics, and it also allows descriptions like:
>>> ```
>>> $ perf list cs_per_second
>>> ...
>>>   cs_per_second
>>>        [Context switches per CPU second]
>>> ```
>>>
>>> A thorn in the side of doing this work was that the hard coded metrics
>>> were used by perf script with '-F metric'. This functionality didn't
>>> work for me (I was testing `perf record -e instructions,cycles`
>>> with/without leader sampling and then `perf script -F metric` but saw
>>> nothing but empty lines) but anyway I decided to fix it to the best of
>>> my ability in this series. So the script side counters were removed
>>> and the regular ones associated with the evsel used. The json metrics
>>> were all searched looking for ones that have a subset of events
>>> matching those in the perf script session, and all metrics are
>>> printed. This is kind of weird as the counters are being set by the
>>> period of samples, but I carried the behavior forward. I suspect there
>>> needs to be follow up work to make this better, but what is in the
>>> series is superior to what is currently in the tree. Follow up work
>>> could include finding metrics for the machine in the perf.data rather
>>> than using the host, allowing multiple metrics even if the metric ids
>>> of the events differ, fixing pre-existing `perf stat record/report`
>>> issues, etc.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of stat tests that, for example, assume '-e
>>> instructions,cycles' will produce an IPC metric. These things needed
>>> tidying as now the metric must be explicitly asked for and when doing
>>> this ones using software events were preferred to increase
>>> compatibility. As the test updates were numerous they are distinct to
>>> the patches updating the functionality causing periods in the series
>>> where not all tests are passing. If this is undesirable the test fixes
>>> can be squashed into the functionality updates, but this will be kind
>>> of messy, especially as at some points in the series both the old
>>> metrics and the new metrics will be displayed.
>>>
>>> v4: K/sec to M/sec on branch frequency (Namhyung), perf script -F
>>>     metric to-done a system-wide calculation (Namhyung) and don't
>>>     crash because of the CPU map index couldn't be found. Regenerate
>>>     commit messages but the cpu-clock was always yielding 0 on my
>>>     machine leading to a lot of nan metric values.
>> This is strange.  The cpu-clock should not be 0 as long as you ran it.
>> Do you think it's related to the scale unit change?  I tested v3 and
>> didn't see the problem.
> It looked like a kernel issue. The raw counts were 0 before being
> scaled. All metrics always work on unscaled values. It is only the
> commit messages and the formatting is more important than the numeric
> values - which were correct for a cpu-clock of 0.

Yes, It's a kernel issue. I also found it several days ago. I have posted a
patch to fix it. :)

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20251112080526.3971392-1-dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com/


>
> Thanks,
> Ian
>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-12  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-11 21:21 [PATCH v4 00/18] Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 01/18] perf metricgroup: Add care to picking the evsel for displaying a metric Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 02/18] perf expr: Add #target_cpu literal Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 03/18] perf jevents: Add set of common metrics based on default ones Ian Rogers
2025-11-14 16:28   ` James Clark
2025-11-14 16:57     ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-15 17:52       ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-16  3:29         ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-18  1:36           ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-18  2:28             ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-18  7:29               ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-18 10:57                 ` James Clark
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 04/18] perf jevents: Add metric DefaultShowEvents Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 05/18] perf stat: Add detail -d,-dd,-ddd metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 06/18] perf script: Change metric format to use json metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 07/18] perf stat: Remove hard coded shadow metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 08/18] perf stat: Fix default metricgroup display on hybrid Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 09/18] perf stat: Sort default events/metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 10/18] perf stat: Remove "unit" workarounds for metric-only Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:21 ` [PATCH v4 11/18] perf test stat+json: Improve metric-only testing Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 12/18] perf test stat: Ignore failures in Default[234] metricgroups Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 13/18] perf test stat: Update std_output testing metric expectations Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 14/18] perf test metrics: Update all metrics for possibly failing default metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 15/18] perf test stat: Update shadow test to use metrics Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 16/18] perf test stat: Update test expectations and events Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 17/18] perf test stat csv: " Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 21:22 ` [PATCH v4 18/18] perf tool_pmu: Make core_wide and target_cpu json events Ian Rogers
2025-11-11 22:42 ` [PATCH v4 00/18] Namhyung Kim
2025-11-11 23:13   ` Ian Rogers
2025-11-12  1:08     ` Namhyung Kim
2025-11-12  8:20     ` Mi, Dapeng [this message]
2025-11-12  9:03 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-11-12 17:56 ` Namhyung Kim

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