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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-phy" Errors-To: linux-phy-bounces+linux-phy=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 05:33:28PM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 06:23:45PM +0200, Vladimir Oltean wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 02:46:42PM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 02:11:14PM +0200, Vladimir Oltean wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 10:12:46AM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > > > > > First, I'll say I'm on a very short fuse today; no dinner last night, > > > > > at the hospital up until 5:30am, and a fucking cold caller rang the door > > > > > bell at 10am this morning. Just fucking our luck. > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear that. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 10:18:44AM +0200, Vladimir Oltean wrote: > > > > > > Isn't it sufficient to set pl->pcs to NULL when pcs_enable() fails and > > > > > > after calling pcs_disable(), though? > > > > > > > > > > No. We've already called mac_prepare(), pcs_pre_config(), > > > > > pcs_post_config() by this time, we're past the point of being able to > > > > > unwind. > > > > > > > > I'm set out to resolve a much smaller problem. > > > > > > > > Calling it a full "unwind" is perhaps a bit much, because pcs_pre_config() > > > > and pcs_post_config() don't have unwinding equivalents, unlike how > > > > pcs_enable() has pcs_disable(). I don't see what API convention would be > > > > violated if phylink decided to drop a PCS whose enable() returned an error. > > > > > > While pcs_pre_config() and pcs_post_config() do not have unwinding > > > equivalents (what would they be?) the issue here is that these could > > > have changed any state that isn't simply undone by calling > > > pcs_disable(). > > > > > > For example, pcs_pre_config() could have reprogrammed signal routing, > > > clocking, or power supplies to blocks. > > > > > > This already applies to Marvell DSA pcs-639x.c, where the pre/post > > > config hooks change the power state of the PCS block (for errata > > > handling), and the only way that gets undone is via a call to > > > pcs_disable() which explicitly disables IRQs and power for the PCS. Its > > > pcs_disable() isn't a strict reversal of pcs_enable(), it does more. > > > > > > We already declare the interface to be dead on pcs_post_config() > > > failure, but we don't do that for pcs_enable() failure. > > > > > > Maybe I need to explicitly state that pcs_disable() does not directly > > > balance pcs_enable(), but that _and_ the effects of pcs_pre_config() > > > and pcs_post_config(). However, that itself will add to the problems. > > > What if pcs_pre_config() and pcs_post_config() succeed but not > > > pcs_enable()? pcs-639x needs pcs_disable() to be called, but if we > > > require pcs_disable() to be balanced with a successful call to > > > pcs_enable(), that messes up that driver, and pretty much makes it > > > impossible to work around the errata. > > > > What if we reordered phylink_major_config() such that phylink_pcs_enable() > > comes first, followed by phylink_pcs_pre_config() -> phylink_mac_config() -> > > phylink_pcs_post_config()? Superficially looking at pcs-639x, I don't > > think it would break. > > I'm sorry, but I don't have time to continue this discussion today. I > woke late, we're trying to cram in the meals (in the middle of delayed > lunch-time dinner right now), work wants a quick call to discuss a > project that I missed the meeting for yesterday (which I haven't yet > had time for...) > > Sorry, but while you may wish to get this sorted, for me this is a very > low priority issue that can be addressed later. Don't think I will have > time to review anything you send - and that's not a personal attack, > it's because I'm barely managing to hold everything together at my > end, and I don't have the time. Thanks, this was a good talk, I understood a bit more about the challenges that need to be overcome. I'll do some testing on the Turris MOX with a 6390 switch. From my side this shouldn't block the stmmac integrated PCS from being integrated with the SerDes, but I do agree that leaving a comment explaining the current phylink_pcs calling convention, as Jakub requested, would be very useful. -- linux-phy mailing list linux-phy@lists.infradead.org https://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-phy