From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293C6C4361B for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5376238EC for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728086AbgLQQ6t (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:58:49 -0500 Received: from cmta20.telus.net ([209.171.16.93]:41433 "EHLO cmta20.telus.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728000AbgLQQ6s (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:58:48 -0500 Received: from dougxps ([173.180.45.4]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id pwbKkbQnWwL1vpwbLkWtQp; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:58:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telus.net; s=neo; t=1608224285; bh=iN5BbZKiwRdlYvZDMhhMMQ1GmpYQaB5SvyBSBuZlh3A=; h=From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=u7kSWNcggciWJlvXKsjVfEN1li38QzP50LG5g++BPi+LyzaS0wUozenyw9hUWb4Zm qOdpS6Rf4Z7v77+AFNBqUD+xjRYKoI9jS5nqKVTXoMIrDGzzuxHbkZTaSde6CD1HQh iEVJfX49OHMUohOriRWtxeoqBeKL8nrXpz/UlGwdcLyJCQyLD45bTHGDAuT9/KRUUG QM+oAycw7jdsYZM3l2J5JizsfeSe4nGKPyDAiwaBX8Is3DHfvg6ZmBFypdhtyScPNj A3jGtccsVhNa1O5gqXR92+C63IoRylbcoGradXqrfN//kbj+3/OLM3pzWVLKGERMQR BVfSeSefULtxw== X-Telus-Authed: none X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=cOElDnSN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=5fdb8e1d a=zJWegnE7BH9C0Gl4FFgQyA==:117 a=zJWegnE7BH9C0Gl4FFgQyA==:17 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=VwQbUJbxAAAA:8 a=XRVjyzJIJYxxt8OlZVsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=AjGcO6oz07-iQ99wixmX:22 From: "Doug Smythies" To: "'Srinivas Pandruvada'" Cc: "'Len Brown'" , "'Peter Zijlstra'" , "'Giovanni Gherdovich'" , "'Francisco Jerez'" , "'Linux PM'" , "'Rafael J. Wysocki'" References: <2931539.RsFqoHxarq@kreacher> <000001d6376a$03bbaae0$0b3300a0$@net> <000201d63776$2d56f330$8804d990$@net> <000b01d65535$d148b8c0$73da2a40$@net> <000501d668da$5bfd6260$13f82720$@net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: cpufreq: intel_pstate: HWP mode issue Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 08:58:01 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01d6d495$c9402c50$5bc084f0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: en-ca Thread-Index: AdZo+WOHHpaV5x6KSvSJz/i6a9bBXhrm9aRA X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfGCKoj3nK6AgprpxvX295aeAVCetp0t7S50gP12x4TmhZbIDpyb49TzO80AxaFltryjc4b1y7IjK5tYfm+X97FmlO2SLBzgvf+0K16E6bFBtPNZy4nQb YVseXTogEbLjiRngn6Hp9Iq1N0rDqHhQH+6fTa2Z5Mp12wTvJSJNvLWC3d/Ds4lyjIdug3/05GejsqnKuNJp/7kmYqn7hV4ivBlp33M+Mgh3J895TLKOY7cv RxEGhP4U59jiV+rARA3K/IeAivKGDrpkEEr3I+jR/cHjbcSEMbIOF+yVSIs/D2gUusE9w9WTCxc1coXw3lbiUNfBg1Ek09GHaWQb27u6juyxsOESVViMYKj/ 82MmpTFA8ROHtsLgZR2zGWc+KK0NQTMDu7rr0RU6zlpZ+bpkeoc= Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-pm@vger.kernel.org On 2020.08.02 Srinivas Pandruvada wrote: > On Sun, 2020-08-02 at 07:36 -0700, Doug Smythies wrote: > > Hi Srinivas, or anybody at Intel, > > > > Any chance of you looking into this issue. > > I first raised it over 2 months ago. > > Hi Doug, > > Unfortunately, didn't reach to this yet. O.K., I created a bug report: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210741 > > Thanks, > Srinivas > > > > > > On 2020.07.08 07:41 Doug Smythies wrote: > > > On 2020.06.30 11:41 Doug Smythies wrote: > > > > Hi Srinivas, > > > > > > > > O.K. let's try this again, starting a new thread, with address > > > > list similar to a few weeks ago. > > > > I believe I have untangled my multiple issues, such that this e- > > > > mail should be only about > > > > the single issue of HWP capable processors incorrectly deciding > > > > to lower the CPU frequency > > > > under some conditions. Also, my previous assertion as to the > > > > issue was indeed incorrect. > > > > > > > > I now: > > > > . never use x86_energy_perf_policy. > > > > . For HWP disabled: never change from active to passive or via > > > > versa, but rather do it via boot. > > > > . after boot always check and reset the various power limit log > > > > bits that are set. > > > > . never compile the kernel (well, until after any tests), which > > > > will set those bits again. > > > > . never run prime95 high heat torture test, which will set those > > > > bits again. > > > > . Note that the tests done for this e-mail never ever set those > > > > bits again. > > > > . Invented an entirely new way to manifest, demonstrate, and > > > > exploit the issue (also mentioned June > > > > 6th). > > > > . All tests were repeated on another HWP capable computer, so a > > > > i5-9600K and a i5-6200U. > > > > > > > > New method (old was periodic workflow): > > > > > > > > Long busy, short gap, busy but taking loop time samples so as to > > > > estimate CPU frequency. > > > > I am calling it an inverse impulse response test. > > > > > > > > Assertion: > > > > > > > > If the short sleep is somehow simultaneous with some sort of 5.0 > > > > millisecond (200 Hertz) > > > > periodic event (either in HWP itself, or via the driver, I am > > > > unable to determine which, > > > > but think it is inside the black box that is HWP), > > > > > > I have been attempting to characterise the "black box" that is HWP. > > > In terms of system response verses EPP, I only observe the HWP loop > > > time as the > > > response variable. > > > > > > 0 <= EPP <= 1 : My test can not measure loop time. > > > 2 <= EPP <= 39 : HWP servo loop time 2 milliseconds > > > 40 <= EPP <= 55 : HWP servo loop time 3 milliseconds > > > 56 <= EPP <= 79 : HWP servo loop time 4 milliseconds > > > 80 <= EPP <= 133 : HWP servo loop time 5 milliseconds > > > 134 <= EPP <= 143 : HWP servo loop time 6 milliseconds > > > 144 <= EPP <= 154 : HWP servo loop time 7 milliseconds > > > 155 <= EPP <= 175 : HWP servo loop time 8 milliseconds > > > 176 <= EPP <= 255 : HWP servo loop time 9 milliseconds > > > > > > If there are other system response differences within > > > those groups, I haven't been able to detect them, > > > but would be grateful for any further insight. > > > > > > Otherwise, in future, I do not see a need to test anything > > > other than 9 values of EPP, one from each group. > > > > > > > then there is a possibility that the > > > > CPU frequency will drop significantly and will take an excessive > > > > amount of time to recover. > > > > Frequency step ups are exactly on 5.0 millisecond boundaries +/- > > > > the short gap time. > > > > > > > > . The probability is somewhat inconsistent and a function of > > > > whatever else the computer is doing. > > > > . The time to recover is a function of EPP, and if EPP is low > > > > enough my test never fails. > > > > . These tests were all done with default settings. > > > > . The "5.0" mSec is only for those default settings, it actually > > > > depends on EPP. > > > > . Crude step boundaries, mSec: EPP=32, 2; EPP=64, 4; EPP=128, > > > > 5.00; EPP=196, 9 > > > > > > Now fully understood, as listed above. > > > > > > > . High level: i5-9600K: 2453 tests, 60 failures, 2.45% fail rate. > > > > (HWP - powersave) > > > > . High level: i5-6200U: 4134 tests, 128 failures, 3.1% fail rate. > > > > (HWP - powersave) > > > > . Low level (capture waveforms): i5-9600K: 1842 captured failure > > > > waveforms. See graph. > > > > . Low level (capture waveforms): i5-6200U: 458 captured failure > > > > waveforms. See graph. > > > > . Verify acpi-cpufreq/ondemand works fine: i5-9600K: 8975 tests. > > > > 0 failures. > > > > . Verify acpi-cpufreq/ondemand works fine: i5-6200U: 8575 tests. > > > > 0 failures. > > > > > > The tests were all done using the teo idle governor. > > > While the menu governor does not fail for this particular test, it > > > fails > > > in other scenarios. > > > > > > I have yet to find a failure scenario when idle state 2 is > > > disabled. > > > I have captured and analyzed about 400 megabytes of trace data, > > > and have not been able to isolate an exact correlation. > > > > > > > The short gap was 842 uSeconds for all these tests, and for no > > > > particular reason. > > > > > > > > While I have not re-done the bounds investigation, I have no > > > > reason to doubt > > > > my previous work, re-stated below: > > > > > > > > > Gap definition: > > > > > lower limit not known, but < 747 uSeconds. > > > > > Upper limit is between 952 and 955 uSeconds (there will be some > > > > > overhead uncertainties). > > > > > > The only new information I have is that the upper bound is bigger. > > > > > > > > Must be preceded by busy time spanning a couple of HWP sampling > > > > > boundaries > > > > > or jiffy boundaries or something (I don't actually know how HWP > > > > > does stuff). > > > > > > > > Rather than point to graphs, which nobody seems to look at, they > > > > are attached, > > > > and so might get striped for some of you. > > > > > > > > ... Doug > > > > > > > > Addendum: Some of the MSRs you have requested in the past: > > > > > > > > i5-9600K (HWP - powersave after test): > > > > > > > > root@s18:/home/doug# /home/doug/c/msr-decoder > > > > 8.) 0x198: IA32_PERF_STATUS : CPU 0-5 : 8 : 8 : 8 : 8 > > > > : 8 : 8 : > > > > B.) 0x770: IA32_PM_ENABLE: 1 : HWP enable > > > > 1.) 0x19C: IA32_THERM_STATUS: 88480000 > > > > 2.) 0x1AA: MSR_MISC_PWR_MGMT: 401CC0 EIST enabled Coordination > > > > enabled OOB Bit 8 reset OOB Bit 18 > > > > reset > > > > 3.) 0x1B1: IA32_PACKAGE_THERM_STATUS: 88460000 > > > > 4.) 0x64F: MSR_CORE_PERF_LIMIT_REASONS: 0 > > > > A.) 0x1FC: MSR_POWER_CTL: 3C005D : C1E disable : EEO disable : > > > > RHO disable > > > > 5.) 0x771: IA32_HWP_CAPABILITIES (performance): 108252E : high 46 > > > > : guaranteed 37 : efficient 8 : > > > > lowest 1 > > > > 6.) 0x774: IA32_HWP_REQUEST: CPU 0-5 : > > > > raw: 80002E08 : 80002E08 : 80002E08 : 80002E08 : 80002E08 : > > > > 80002E08 : > > > > min: 8 : 8 : 8 : 8 : 8 > > > > : 8 : > > > > max: 46 : 46 : 46 : 46 : 46 > > > > : 46 : > > > > des: 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 > > > > : 0 : > > > > epp: 128 : 128 : 128 : 128 : 128 > > > > : 128 : > > > > act: 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 > > > > : 0 : > > > > 7.) 0x777: IA32_HWP_STATUS: 0 : high 0 : guaranteed 0 : efficient > > > > 0 : lowest 0 > > > > > > > > i5-9600K (no HWP - acpi-cpufreq/ondemand after test): > > > > > > > > root@s18:/home/doug/c# /home/doug/c/msr-decoder > > > > 8.) 0x198: IA32_PERF_STATUS : CPU 0-5 : 8 : 8 : 8 : 8 > > > > : 8 : 8 : > > > > B.) 0x770: IA32_PM_ENABLE: 0 : HWP disable > > > > 9.) 0x199: IA32_PERF_CTL : CPU 0-5 : 8 : 8 : 8 : 8 > > > > : 8 : 8 : > > > > C.) 0x1B0: IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: CPU 0-5 : 6 : 6 : 6 : 6 > > > > : 6 : 6 : > > > > 1.) 0x19C: IA32_THERM_STATUS: 88480000 > > > > 2.) 0x1AA: MSR_MISC_PWR_MGMT: 401CC0 EIST enabled Coordination > > > > enabled OOB Bit 8 reset OOB Bit 18 > > > > reset > > > > 3.) 0x1B1: IA32_PACKAGE_THERM_STATUS: 88460000 > > > > 4.) 0x64F: MSR_CORE_PERF_LIMIT_REASONS: 0 > > > > A.) 0x1FC: MSR_POWER_CTL: 3C005D : C1E disable : EEO disable : > > > > RHO disable > > > > > > > > i5-6200U (HWP - powersave after test): > > > > > > > > 8.) 0x198: IA32_PERF_STATUS : CPU 0-3 : 19 : 19 : 19 : 19 : > > > > B.) 0x770: IA32_PM_ENABLE: 1 : HWP enable > > > > 1.) 0x19C: IA32_THERM_STATUS: 88430000 > > > > 2.) 0x1AA: MSR_MISC_PWR_MGMT: 4018C0 EIST enabled Coordination > > > > enabled OOB Bit 8 reset OOB Bit 18 > > > > reset > > > > 3.) 0x1B1: IA32_PACKAGE_THERM_STATUS: 88420000 > > > > 4.) 0x64F: MSR_CORE_PERF_LIMIT_REASONS: 0 > > > > A.) 0x1FC: MSR_POWER_CTL: 24005D : C1E disable : EEO enable : RHO > > > > enable > > > > 5.) 0x771: IA32_HWP_CAPABILITIES (performance): 105171C : high 28 > > > > : guaranteed 23 : efficient 5 : > > > > lowest 1 > > > > 6.) 0x774: IA32_HWP_REQUEST: CPU 0-3 : > > > > raw: 80001B04 : 80001B04 : 80001B04 : 80001B04 : > > > > min: 4 : 4 : 4 : 4 : > > > > max: 27 : 27 : 27 : 27 : > > > > des: 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : > > > > epp: 128 : 128 : 128 : 128 : > > > > act: 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : > > > > 7.) 0x777: IA32_HWP_STATUS: 4 : high 4 : guaranteed 0 : efficient > > > > 0 : lowest 0 > > > > > > > > i5-6200U (no HWP - acpi-cpufreq/ondemand after test): > > > > > > > > 8.) 0x198: IA32_PERF_STATUS : CPU 0-3 : 23 : 23 : 23 : 23 > > > > : > > > > B.) 0x770: IA32_PM_ENABLE: 0 : HWP disable > > > > 9.) 0x199: IA32_PERF_CTL : CPU 0-3 : 11 : 5 : 5 : 5 > > > > : > > > > C.) 0x1B0: IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: CPU 0-3 : 6 : 6 : 6 : 6 > > > > : > > > > 1.) 0x19C: IA32_THERM_STATUS: 88440000 > > > > 2.) 0x1AA: MSR_MISC_PWR_MGMT: 4018C0 EIST enabled Coordination > > > > enabled OOB Bit 8 reset OOB Bit 18 > > > > reset > > > > 3.) 0x1B1: IA32_PACKAGE_THERM_STATUS: 88430000 > > > > 4.) 0x64F: MSR_CORE_PERF_LIMIT_REASONS: 0 > > > > A.) 0x1FC: MSR_POWER_CTL: 24005D : C1E disable : EEO enable : RHO > > > > enable > > > >