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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Power management list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during	suspend/resume
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:01:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1150444874.23600.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606131435400.5498@g5.osdl.org>

On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 14:40 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The old code was terminally broken, and would do extremely bad things if 
> you used netconsole, for example. Like sending out packets when the device 
> had already been suspended etc.
> 
> The new version may not be perfect either, but it seems fundamentally like 
> a better design: we just hold on to the primary console semaphore over the 
> whole suspend event, forcing printk() to just buffer up its data until we 
> can show it again. The code is also much simpler and more obvious.
> 
> This can potentially make debugging harder when something goes wrong at 
> suspend time and a visible printk would have given us a hint _what_ went 
> wrong, but on the other hand, it makes fewer things go wrong. Oopses will 
> punch through the semaphore anyway, so serious problems aren't affected by 
> this.

While the idea is nice for kernel console, we still need the console
switch for X. Unless you have some kind of APM emulation (which we do
have on ppc) in which case X should get notified of suspend and resume,
and will try to save/restore itself properly, not switching consoles is
a guarantee of X blowing up in many situations. (Your patch as-is broke
suspend/resume on pretty much all powermacs for example with X).

It's especially bad if you use things like AGP and DRI... 

Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-16  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 348+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-13 21:30 [PATCH 0/2] suspend-to-ram debugging patches Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 21:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add some basic resume trace facilities Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 22:10   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-13 22:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 10:25   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-13 21:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Linus Torvalds
2006-06-13 23:20   ` David Brownell
2006-06-13 23:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14  0:00       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14  0:06         ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14  0:18         ` Greg KH
2006-06-14  0:29           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14  0:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14  0:29       ` David Brownell
2006-06-14 10:28     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 11:15       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-14 15:28       ` David Brownell
2006-06-14 10:34   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 15:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 17:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 18:09         ` Dave Jones
2006-06-14 18:29           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 19:13             ` Peter Jones
2006-06-14 19:17               ` Dave Jones
2006-06-14 21:40         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 22:12             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:26               ` Peter Jones
2006-06-14 22:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 22:44                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 22:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-14 23:57                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  1:54                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-15  2:48                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  8:39                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 14:56                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 16:14                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:26                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 18:24                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 19:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:03                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 20:28                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:43                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 21:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:27                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:31                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 23:01                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  4:15                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:26                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 23:05                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-15 16:43                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 16:52                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  6:02                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 16:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:53                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 16:59                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 17:51                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:09                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-15 17:04                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 22:17                               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-15 22:24                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:17                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:15                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  2:50                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16  3:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:36                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16 14:03                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 15:53                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15  1:46                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  6:00                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-15 16:22                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15  8:41                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 16:57                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-15 18:03                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 18:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 19:19                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 19:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 20:30                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 20:56                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:10                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:01                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 22:20                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:41                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 13:29                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:21                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 22:44                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15 21:27                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-06-15 22:18                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 12:49                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 13:22                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:31                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:53                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-16  3:16                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  4:04                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:26                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:37                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  4:37                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  6:02                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:56                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  2:29                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  3:33                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  4:35                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-16  5:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16  6:18                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16 13:42                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 16:48                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 13:58                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16 14:04                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 18:31                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 18:45                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-16 23:04                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-18 17:16                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-16 21:28                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-18 17:09                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-18 17:16                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-18 17:48                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-18 18:18                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-19  0:34                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-20  2:15                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-20 22:47                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-19  3:54                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-20 22:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 21:17                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-20 22:44                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  0:49                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  1:10                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  2:40                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  2:57                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  3:23                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  3:59                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21  4:22                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  4:36                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21  5:04                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 15:15                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 15:33                                                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 16:03                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 16:35                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 17:04                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 18:53                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 20:49                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  2:16                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  1:04                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  1:01                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  2:22                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  2:47                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  3:21                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  3:18                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  4:08                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  4:58                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 16:10                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 18:30                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 19:23                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 22:43                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23 18:06                                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 19:23                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-23 23:32                                                                                           ` Adam Belay
2006-06-23 23:44                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:10                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:39                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  3:30                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  4:10                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  0:22                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  0:29                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  1:00                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  2:42                                                                                               ` Adam Belay
2006-06-24  3:12                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  4:04                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  4:35                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  8:23                                                                                                     ` Adam Belay
2006-06-25 17:15                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-26 23:30                                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2006-06-24  4:07                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24 11:16                                                                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-24 16:24                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-24 22:28                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24 22:41                                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25  1:30                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  2:16                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:32                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25 16:35                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:02                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25 23:56                                                                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-26 23:31                                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-06-24 22:39                                                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-29  0:37                                                                                                     ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  0:48                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-29  3:09                                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  3:24                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-29  4:21                                                                                                             ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  6:26                                                                                                               ` Greg KH
2006-06-29 22:58                                                                                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-06-29  9:50                                                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 22:27                                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 22:31                                                                                                               ` Greg KH
2006-07-08 17:45                                                                                                                 ` PM_TRACE causing FSCK David Brownell
2006-07-06 23:27                                                                                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Dave Jones
2006-07-06 23:43                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 23:59                                                                                                                   ` Dave Jones
2006-07-07  4:48                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07  8:35                                                                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 23:51                                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-07-09 23:28                                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-07-10  7:53                                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-25 18:17                                                                                                               ` bus.suspend_prepare() David Brownell
2006-07-25 18:29                                                                                                                 ` bus.suspend_prepare() Linus Torvalds
2006-07-25 19:17                                                                                                                   ` bus.suspend_prepare() David Brownell
2006-07-25 22:24                                                                                                                     ` bus.suspend_prepare() Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-26 10:12                                                                                                                       ` bus.suspend_prepare() Pavel Machek
2006-07-26 10:11                                                                                                                     ` bus.suspend_prepare() Pavel Machek
2006-06-24  4:52                                                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  5:18                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-24  6:30                                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24 17:06                                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-27  6:08                                                                                                         ` Adam Belay
2006-06-27  6:18                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-27  6:58                                                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-27 18:50                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-27 22:09                                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-27  7:07                                                                                                             ` Adam Belay
2006-06-27 15:33                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-28  0:16                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 18:40                                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-07-05 20:12                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 23:03                                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-07-06  1:15                                                                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06  1:52                                                                                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06  7:15                                                                                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06 13:22                                                                                                                         ` memcpy() in swsusp (was: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume) Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 14:19                                                                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 14:26                                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 20:35                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 23:36                                                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 20:44                                                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 20:55                                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 21:01                                                                                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-07-06 21:07                                                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-07-06 21:18                                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-06 22:06                                                                                                                                       ` Dave Jones
2006-07-07  8:20                                                                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-24  6:41                                                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24 11:58                                                                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-24 21:20                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  1:10                                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-28 22:13                                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-24  3:33                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 23:53                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-24  3:28                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 21:33                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25  1:00                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24  3:28                                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 11:57                                                                                           ` Jim Gettys
2006-06-25 23:03                                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-25 23:18                                                                                               ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-03 21:32                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-26  0:16                                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-28 22:16                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 23:38                                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 22:21                                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 22:31                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:11                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 23:19                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:21                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:31                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 23:41                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-23  0:01                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23  0:14                                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  0:05                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  0:08                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23 16:26                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 20:36                                                                                               ` Adam Belay
2006-06-23 21:48                                                                                                 ` cpufreq-related updates [WAS: Fix console handling during suspend/resume] David Brownell
2006-06-23 22:10                                                                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-06-23 23:54                                                                                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 22:53                                                                                                   ` Adam Belay
2006-06-22 23:31                                                                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Pavel Machek
2006-06-22 23:42                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:51                                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23 18:15                                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 21:35                                                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-24 22:00                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  0:57                                                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25  1:05                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  1:12                                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25  1:34                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-25  2:21                                                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-25 23:09                                                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-22 23:53                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 23:56                                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-23 16:37                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 23:13                                                                                       ` suspend debuggability [was Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume] Pavel Machek
2006-06-22  5:52                                                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume David Brownell
2006-06-22  6:28                                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22 16:43                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22 18:19                                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 17:18                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 17:43                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 18:18                                                                       ` wakeup events [WAS: Re*N Fix console handling] David Brownell
2006-06-21 21:13                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume David Brownell
2006-06-22  0:42                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 22:54                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  0:15                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  2:21                                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  3:23                                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  5:36                                                                     ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 16:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 18:27                                                                       ` David Brownell
2006-06-22 20:31                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 23:48                                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-23  2:41                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-23 16:43                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-23 18:32                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2006-06-24  3:39                                                                               ` David Brownell
2006-06-24 16:19                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-25  2:20                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-06-22 22:30                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-23  2:35                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2006-06-21 21:22                                                           ` David Brownell
2006-06-21  4:45                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-21 15:08                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 22:51                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  0:48                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-21 21:21                                                         ` David Brownell
2006-06-21 21:18                                                 ` David Brownell
2006-06-22  1:08                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-22  1:24                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-22  1:33                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-14 23:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-14 23:32                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  9:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-16  0:47                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  1:03                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-14 22:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  0:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  9:11                     ` suspend-devices-not-cpu [was Re: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume] Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:39                 ` [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume Adam Belay
2006-06-15  0:40                   ` Greg KH
2006-06-15  1:50                     ` Adam Belay
2006-06-15  0:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-15  8:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-16  1:02         ` suspend/resume issue (Was: [PATCH 2/2] Fix console handling during suspend/resume) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-16  8:01   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2006-06-16  0:45 ` [PATCH 0/2] suspend-to-ram debugging patches Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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