Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions

Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-02T21:47:38Z

Hi.

On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 10:09 -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Uli Luckas wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, 1. February 2009, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > Early-suspend seems to be a completely different matter. In fact it
> > > isn't a suspend state at all, as far as I understand it. It's more
> > > like what you get simply by doing a runtime suspend on some collection
> > > of devices. I don't see that the kernel needs to treat it as a special
> > > state, and in might be possible to have a user program manage the whole
> > > thing -- provided the drivers in question implement runtime power
> > > management (as USB has done).
> > >
> > > Alan Stern
> >
> > Except you always want early-suspend and auto-suspend at the same time. The
> > idea is, if all display of system states is off (early-suspend), we can
> > enable or disable the cpu at will (auto-suspend) because nobody will notice.
>
> Why should the kernel have to get involved? Why can't userspace manage
> both early-suspend and auto-suspend?
>
> That is, consider the following: Userspace initiates an early-suspend
> by using a runtime PM interface to turn off the screen and some other
> devices. After a short time, if they are still off, then userspace can
> initiate an auto-suspend by writing "auto-mem" to /sys/power/state.
>
> All the kernel would need to know is the difference between
> auto-suspend and normal suspend: one respects wakelocks and the other
> doesn't.

It sounds to me like all of this stuff is just power management of
individual devices, which should be done through the sysfs interface and
completely unrelated to /sys/power/state. I'm putting the talk about
suspending the CPU in this box too because it sounds like the desire is
to stop the CPU without necessarily suspending other devices such as
transmitters - sort of a CPU freq state where the frequency is 0.

That said, if suspend to ram is what they really want for 'auto-mem',
what you're suggesting sounds good to me.

Regards,

Nigel