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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@crca.org.au>
To: "Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Cc: "swetland@google.com" <swetland@google.com>,
	"u.luckas@road.de" <u.luckas@road.de>,
	"linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:40:59 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1234492859.21787.146.camel@nigel-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d6200be20902121821o6d60140bu28bc6e60b83d6ec7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 18:21 -0800, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> > I dislike the kernel-side use of wakelocks. They're basically equivalent
> > to a device returning -EBUSY during the suspend phase, which is
> > something that can be done without any kernel modifications.
> 
> I don't get why people object to wakelocks supporting timeouts, but
> think drivers returning -EBUSY to abort suspend is ok. If suspend
> fails, the higher level code has to periodically retry until it can
> succeed. This means that the device is awake for longer than it need
> to, and you are repeatedly wasting time freezing all tasks and
> suspending a set of drivers before you get to the driver that is
> preventing suspend.

I for one don't think drivers returning -EBUSY is okay. Once a user asks
for suspend to ram or hibernation, nothing but improper configuration
(in the hibernation case) should stop them getting it. Even if they ask
to suspend to ram in the middle of writing a cd, they should get the
suspend to ram. But, of course, I'm just one voice.

Regards,

Nigel

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Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-05  2:50 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50   ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50     ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50       ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50         ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50           ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50             ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50               ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                   ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                     ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                       ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  2:50                         ` [PATCH 13/13] ledtrig-sleep: Add led trigger for sleep debugging Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:08                         ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:06                       ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:42                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:53                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:03                     ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:37                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:51                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:54                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06  2:29                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:02                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:53                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:55                   ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:30                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:49                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:58                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 10:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:08                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06  3:42                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:00                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-06  0:35                   ` mark gross
2009-02-05  8:53                 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:52               ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  9:25                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:27                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:54               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-06  0:18             ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api mark gross
2009-02-07 22:47             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08  2:32               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-08 13:33                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:17           ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:37           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 10:33             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 13:50               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 14:04                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-08 21:06                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:41                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  1:58                       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-10  0:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:40                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:58                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  0:26                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  1:35                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  1:53                           ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-09  8:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 13:31                               ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 11:19                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  9:15                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  3:07                       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 22:26                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  9:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-12 11:16                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-08 21:04                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 21:40                   ` Alan Stern
2009-02-08 23:00                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:03                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  0:31                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  2:11                           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09  2:24                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  2:56                               ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09  9:01                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10  0:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-10  9:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 14:18                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:44                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:31         ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:16       ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 15:24       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-06  0:10       ` mark gross
2009-02-06  0:38         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07  0:33           ` mark gross
2009-02-07  0:47             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 18:00               ` mark gross
2009-02-10 20:24               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:27       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11  2:52         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05  9:14     ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 23:26     ` mark gross
2009-02-06  9:33       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 23:26         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 20:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 23:34       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 20:59         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05  9:11   ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-06  0:28     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06  9:45       ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-08 21:30       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  9:06           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:17       ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:40         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:14           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:35             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 11:15               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11  3:12                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09  1:49         ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api. ) Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 11:17           ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock?api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 12:10             ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:14               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 13:20                 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:42                   ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 12:35             ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06  1:32     ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api mark gross
2009-02-05 22:51   ` mark gross
2009-02-06  0:13     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 20:25       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11  2:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11  4:47         ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-11  8:40           ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-11 14:58           ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 15:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 22:57               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 21:37             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 22:05               ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 23:55               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 18:47           ` mark gross
2009-02-07 18:56   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:51     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 23:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08  0:20         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 21:21           ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09  0:03             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  0:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09  2:03             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 22:23               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 23:42                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 22:22                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-12 23:42                     ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13  1:10                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13  2:21                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-13  2:40                           ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2009-02-13  3:17                         ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 10:55                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 14:06                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:24                             ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 14:37                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:46                                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 15:07                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 22:52                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-13 16:46                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:05                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:13                                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 19:14                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 19:35                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 16:49                             ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:09                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:18                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 13:18                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:07                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 20:32                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 13:53                                     ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-03 14:02                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 13:41                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:00                                         ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:13                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 14:34                                             ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 17:10                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 17:42                                                 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-08  8:32                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-08 12:34                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-02-13 23:36                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  0:05                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  0:50                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  1:06                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  1:33                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14  1:49                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14  5:51                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 20:44                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-26 15:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-26 21:11                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-26 21:36                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27  0:16                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27  9:56                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28  3:20                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 23:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Rafael J. Wysocki

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