From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: "Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Cc: Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
Uli Luckas <u.luckas@road.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:28:43 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1235888923.7388.121.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d6200be20902281606g1c5db332r9970931d7080717f@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 16:06 -0800, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
I'm not taking a position on the merit of the wakelocks per se nor
whether Rafael is right or wrong here, I haven't looked at the problem
closely enough. I just want to react to this:
> The basic concept was developed long before android was a public
> project.
This isn't going to bring you any good will. We don't care what was done
before it was a public project. That has strictly no relevance to how it
should be submitted upstream.
How long the code has been simmering internally to company X or Y or
even in a public tree doesn't matter. Some times, yes, we do take
something as a whole, when it makes no sense to do otherwise (a driver,
a filesystem, ...).
But something like what you propose, it seems, could easily be broken
down into a basic concept, on which features are added one after the
other, and in this case, it's the right way to go, simply because it's
easier to argue for the basic concept alone if you don't have to handle
comments froms people who don't agree with aspect A B or C of the other
features involved.
And if the basic concept doesn't get accepted in the first place, then
the whole point is moot...
Cheers,
Ben.
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2009-02-19 14:59 ` [RFD] Automatic suspend Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902190956570.3012-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2009-02-19 21:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902192215.18365.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-19 21:56 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-19 22:08 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 22:08 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 22:08 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902191659020.7953-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902192321.47891.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-19 22:58 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902192358.13068.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-20 10:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902201146.59944.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-20 22:05 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902202305.09992.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-20 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:20 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902210020.47665.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-21 1:59 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 2:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902191839w1f74a962h30e859c8b2434f59@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-20 10:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 11:26 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902200326g6caa211ai388d4aa9fc270a28@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-20 15:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902201657.01145.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-20 16:07 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <f73f7ab80902200807j743a37d7hc42283bc7b9dbe6f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-20 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902202156.13480.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-20 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:12 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902210012.08088.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-20 23:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902210040.50344.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-20 23:45 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20090220234548.GA9297@srcf.ucam.org>
2009-02-21 9:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 16:52 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <d6200be20902201503m59a13cddn59adfc47d0c2ed1e@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-20 23:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902210057.27781.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-21 1:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902201708g45540f60ib024c3365c85aef4@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-21 9:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902211047.26787.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-21 10:32 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902210232m71700247k8914ca3735563881@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-21 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902212120.37684.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-23 23:13 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902231513h31661a95n63407b5194b56d51@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-23 23:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902240053.11164.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-24 0:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 10:12 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902271522.41915.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-27 14:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-27 20:40 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090227142946.GA13650@srcf.ucam.org>
2009-02-27 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902272154.03539.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-27 22:09 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902271409y395822c9ic8f1223f6551631c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-27 22:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20090227204053.GB1387@ucw.cz>
2009-02-27 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902272155.42010.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-27 22:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902271456w77951afata1d5f378ddbe6b84@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-27 23:44 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090227234458.GB2089@elf.ucw.cz>
2009-02-28 3:04 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 10:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902281118.14595.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-28 21:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902281357r2d3a0075q77055c1781f174d7@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-28 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902282353.39763.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-28 23:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-01 0:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902281606g1c5db332r9970931d7080717f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-01 6:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-03-01 9:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 9:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
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2009-03-03 1:22 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20903021722y7f085482o66f6dee8c4004acd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-03 13:51 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090303135143.GA5060@elf.ucw.cz>
2009-03-04 0:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-04 0:47 ` Pavel Machek
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2009-03-01 23:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2009-03-02 23:48 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20903021548h11f57283t6d6a9053f3feb3fd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-03 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200903032339.02002.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-03-03 23:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20903031538s42c8243dk59c505857cdab7cb@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-04 0:49 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 13:57 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090303135750.GC5060@elf.ucw.cz>
2009-03-03 23:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-22 14:03 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090222140311.GF1387@ucw.cz>
2009-02-23 14:04 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902231504.27879.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-27 10:18 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090227101818.GH4582@elf.ucw.cz>
2009-02-27 15:22 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-27 17:09 ` Chris Friesen
[not found] ` <49A81E59.6010105@nortel.com>
2009-02-27 20:46 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200902271622.25141.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-03-05 16:54 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902270943490.2926-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2009-02-27 20:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] <20090227101632.GG4582@elf.ucw.cz>
2009-02-27 14:46 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902211135170.7396-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2009-02-21 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902212214.59660.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-27 10:16 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] <200902190004.18878.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-18 23:31 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902181826500.23001-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2009-02-19 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-05 13:48 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902181135400.3186-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2009-02-18 17:10 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902181009410.3186-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2009-02-18 15:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 16:39 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <200902181605.18363.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-18 15:10 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902162144010.24097-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2009-02-17 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902180026.55533.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-18 8:53 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902180953.51171.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-18 14:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090218065158.5efa8536@infradead.org>
2009-02-18 15:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:09 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902162156380.24097-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2009-02-17 23:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902180022.00239.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-18 4:46 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902172046sf00599ckc6710c6132d6b92f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-18 21:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902182217.48321.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-18 22:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 22:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 23:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 22:56 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090301225647.GE1961@elf.ucw.cz>
2009-03-02 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200903020924.42451.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-03-02 14:34 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 15:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] <20090216185758.1a4d041d@infradead.org>
2009-02-17 3:26 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <200902170008.31054.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-17 3:09 ` Alan Stern
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2009-02-17 2:56 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <200902162312.50556.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-16 22:40 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902161736210.21117-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2009-02-16 22:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20090216145655.727cd39c@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 23:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17 2:43 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 2:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-15 23:10 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 0:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090215164456.34aef7e8@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 2:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1234750360.26036.115.camel@pasglop>
2009-02-16 2:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090215182012.3bc6b292@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 3:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <1234754621.26036.120.camel@pasglop>
2009-02-16 3:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 7:06 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902160806.17901.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-16 15:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090216074048.6d70f17c@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 16:48 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902161748.09208.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-16 17:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090216093108.078aac35@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 20:08 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <f73f7ab80902161208h12837d4ex1d28d55d031d5d71@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-16 20:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:39 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0902161537080.19732-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
2009-02-16 20:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090216124520.315320dc@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 21:32 ` Woodruff, Richard
[not found] ` <13B9B4C6EF24D648824FF11BE896716203771DCF1E@dlee02.ent.ti.com>
2009-02-16 21:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090216135204.064f553b@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 22:36 ` Woodruff, Richard
[not found] ` <13B9B4C6EF24D648824FF11BE896716203771DD01B@dlee02.ent.ti.com>
2009-02-16 22:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <20090216145948.6fea81c3@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902170019.40599.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-16 23:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090216232329.GA15678@srcf.ucam.org>
2009-02-17 10:12 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 13:58 ` Mark Brown
2009-02-17 14:20 ` Brian Swetland
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2009-02-17 14:24 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
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2009-02-17 14:51 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20090217145141.GA26158@srcf.ucam.org>
2009-02-17 14:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 14:58 ` Igor Stoppa
[not found] ` <20090217065622.3e0a9956@infradead.org>
2009-02-17 15:32 ` Woodruff, Richard
[not found] ` <13B9B4C6EF24D648824FF11BE896716203771DD342@dlee02.ent.ti.com>
2009-02-18 0:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090217160421.12bc851f@infradead.org>
2009-02-18 0:18 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 0:52 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 5:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <13B9B4C6EF24D648824FF11BE896716203772614AD@dlee02.ent.ti.com>
2009-02-18 5:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <d6200be20902172111y16debabaq85b8f58520f4079a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-18 5:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 15:15 ` Matthew Garrett
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2009-02-18 15:20 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-17 15:28 ` Brian Swetland
[not found] ` <20090217152811.GA12686@bulgaria.corp.google.com>
2009-02-18 0:55 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18 17:48 ` Jesse Barnes
[not found] ` <200902180948.06039.jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>
2009-02-18 17:52 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20090218175244.GA19235@srcf.ucam.org>
2009-02-18 18:01 ` Jesse Barnes
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2009-03-01 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
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2009-02-17 14:56 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-27 10:00 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-18 0:45 ` mark gross
2009-02-20 5:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
[not found] ` <d6200be20902192135y166eb90bt895c97c7b381c44c@mail.gmail.com>
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2009-02-20 18:26 ` Matthew Garrett
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2009-02-20 20:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902202149.25990.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-20 22:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-16 23:20 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200902170020.15509.oliver@neukum.org>
2009-02-20 18:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 6:23 ` Roland Dreier
2009-02-16 7:02 ` Oliver Neukum
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2009-02-16 15:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:47 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 21:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-16 21:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20090216135339.53b4a911@infradead.org>
2009-02-16 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090216225116.GG1370@ucw.cz>
2009-02-16 22:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <200902170000.43387.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-16 23:18 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:29 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090216225831.GH1370@ucw.cz>
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[not found] ` <20090216231324.GA15435@srcf.ucam.org>
2009-02-16 23:22 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20090216232259.GK1370@ucw.cz>
2009-02-16 23:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:14 ` Brian Swetland
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2009-02-17 21:57 ` mark gross
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2009-02-17 22:04 ` Matthew Garrett
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2009-02-17 22:19 ` Jesse Barnes
[not found] ` <200902171419.14823.jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>
2009-02-17 23:28 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 0:34 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 17:30 ` Chris Ball
[not found] ` <200902170026.06966.rjw@sisk.pl>
2009-02-22 13:46 ` Pavel Machek
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[not found] ` <20090218002704.GB25605@linux.intel.com>
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