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From: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:03:44 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1352941424.7176.261.camel@yhuang-dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <37583314.JAxoSZqTsM@vostro.rjw.lan>

On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 00:10 +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 04:45:01 PM Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > 
> > > > This has the side effect that when a driver unbinds, it can't leave the 
> > > > device in a special low-power state.  The device will always end up in 
> > > > the generic low-power state supported by the PCI core.
> > > 
> > > Well, I'm not sure I'd like that.
> > > 
> > > Let's just go back even one step more and think what we'd like to have in
> > > general terms and then how to implement it. :-)
> > > 
> > > Suppose that pci_pm_init() calls pm_runtime_enable() for all devices (in
> > > addition to what it does currently).  The runtime PM status of each device is
> > > RPM_SUSPENDED at this point.  Then:
> > 
> > Wait a moment.  When the device is detected and initialized, it is in
> > D0, right?  Currently we don't care much because the device starts out
> > disabled for runtime PM.  But now you are going to enable it.  While
> > the device is enabled, its runtime status should match the physical
> > power level.
> 
> OK

If my memory were correct, RPM_SUSPENDED just means device stop working,
but need not be put into low-power state.  So for RPM_ACTIVE, PCI
devices should be in D0, but for RPM_SUSPENDED, PCI devices can in any
power state.

Best Regards,
Huang Ying


> > This means the initialization routine would have to call
> > pm_runtime_set_active() before pm_runtime_enable().  If you then wanted
> > to change the status to RPM_SUSPENDED, you would actually have to put
> > the device into D3 by calling pm_runtime_suspend() (or maybe
> > pm_runtime_schedule_suspend() to give drivers some time to get loaded 
> > and bind).
> 
> No, I don't want that.  It may be RPM_ACTIVE all the time as long as the
> device doesn't have a driver.  Which probably would even make things
> simpler. :-)
> 
> > > (1) We want to keep the current semantics during probe, i.e. the device should
> > >     (a) be RPM_ACTIVE and (b) have usage_count == (user space usage_count + 1)
> > >     right before ddi->drv->probe() is executed.
> > 
> > In theory the usage_count could be higher and then adjusted back after
> > the probe is finished, if that would make anything easier.
> 
> No, it wouldn't, because of (5).  Suppose that the driver wants to suspend
> the device directly from .probe() and the user space doesn't mind.  We can't
> prevent that from being doable.
> 
> > > (2) We don't want the driver's PM callbacks to be run before ddi->drv->probe().
> > >     There's a question if we want the bus type's PM callbacks to be run at
> > >     that point, but they are not run currently and IMO we shouldn't change
> > >     that.
> > 
> > The device is supposed to be in D0 when it is probed.  Since we are
> > assuming that initialization is now going to leave it in D3, there's no
> > choice -- you _have_ to invoke pci_pm_runtime_resume(), which would
> > invoke the driver's callback, which we don't want.
> 
> Let's say the device will stay in D0 after the initialization and then
> we'll require that it be in D0 if .probe() fails or after .remove().
> 
> The only thing we'll need to do before .probe() in that case is to
> bump up the usage counter and then to bump it down if .probe() fails
> (and after .remove()).
> 
> The only problem we have in that case are buggy drivers that leave
> devices in, say, D3cold after a failing .probe().  That doesn't
> seem to be avoidable, though.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rafael
> 
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-15  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05  1:17 [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden Huang Ying
2012-11-05  1:56 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-06  0:43   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-06 15:17     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07  0:26       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-07 15:49         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 16:09           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 17:17             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 20:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 20:47                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 21:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 21:56                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 22:51                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 23:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  1:15                           ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  1:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  2:04                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  9:56                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08 17:07                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-09  2:36                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-09 16:41                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  0:37                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12  2:36                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  5:55                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12 16:32                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  1:19                                                 ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13  2:32                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  5:12                                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13 16:10                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14  1:08                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14  9:52                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 13:35                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14 16:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13 23:43                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 10:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 16:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 19:42                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 21:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 23:10                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15  1:03                                               ` Huang Ying [this message]
2012-11-15  9:51                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 10:09                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 15:27                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-16  0:36                                                   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:44                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:48                                                       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:55                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:54                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  1:29                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  1:27                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16 10:10                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  3:11                                                   ` Huang Ying

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