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From: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:08:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050322110802.GA1751@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503212140450.28689-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>

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Hi!

> > > > > Obviously a message isn't the same thing as a state.  This looks like 
> > > > > something that will need to be changed in a lot of drivers when we 
> > > > > introduce the new notion of a power state.
> > > > 
> > > > This is not so obvious to me. Message seems to represent the state
> > > > driver is in quite well... Plus we need PMSG_ON for state the device
> > > > gets after resume, but that's quite easy...
> > > 
> > > So what value for power_state do you use to tell apart PCI D1 from D2?
> > 
> > You just ask via pci_choose_state(), and it tells
> > you... pci_choose_state() should be deterministic.
> 
> That's useless for sysfs.  It won't know to call pci_choose_state when it 
> has to display the device's current power state in an attribute file.  Nor 
> will it know what pm_message_t to send the driver when the user writes the 
> string "D2" to the attribute.

And do we really want user writing D2 to /sys file?

> Even just from first principles the mistake is apparent.  pm_message_t is
> (or will be, when the structure is defined in its final form) a _message_,
> not a _state_.  It contains (will contain) things other than the power
> state setting, such as the "flags" field.  Why would a device want to
> store pm_message_t.flags as part of its current state?

Because device may enter different hw states for different flags?

									Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-22 11:08 UTC|newest]

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2005-03-21 20:11 Nested suspends; messages vs. states Alan Stern
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2005-03-21 20:20   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]     ` <20050321202016.GI1390-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-21 21:14       ` Alan Stern
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503211613010.2329-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-21 22:26           ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-22  3:08               ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-22 11:08                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
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2005-03-22 17:24                       ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-23 23:49                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:32               ` David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <200503231032.36164.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 21:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-22  4:21   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-22 17:04     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503221143460.954-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-22 23:36         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23  1:17         ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 19:02             ` David Brownell
     [not found]               ` <200503231102.27137.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 20:36                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 21:08             ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-24  2:35                 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:03                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503241149000.1345-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:13                         ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:46                             ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 17:51                             ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-24 19:27                             ` Alan Stern
2005-03-23 18:58     ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 19:37         ` Jordan Crouse
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2005-03-24  5:16             ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 23:24         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  2:45           ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24  5:03               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  5:27                 ` David Brownell
     [not found]                   ` <200503232127.19576.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  6:02                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  6:31                       ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24  6:36                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  7:46                             ` David Brownell
2005-03-23  0:52   ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23  1:21       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23  1:46         ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23  3:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:20               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231008340.17099-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 21:02                   ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-23 21:35                       ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-23 21:54                           ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24  2:40                               ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24  3:16                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-24  8:19                                       ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 10:01                                           ` CPU local things [was Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states] Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 15:59                                               ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:14                                                   ` Nathan Lynch
2005-03-24 20:59                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 23:14                   ` Nested suspends; messages vs. states Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  1:27               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231724100.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  9:59                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20050324095910.GD1354-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 15:48                       ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 16:38                           ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 17:00                               ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:33                                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                     ` <200503240933.49123.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:41                                       ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 18:08                                           ` David Brownell
2005-03-24  1:41               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231727220.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:22                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  2:05               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231742090.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:29                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  5:02                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200503232102.51132.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  5:14                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  5:31                         ` David Brownell
2005-03-24  8:16                         ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-23 19:06       ` David Brownell
     [not found]         ` <200503231106.03160.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 20:29           ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-23 20:55               ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 21:18               ` Alan Stern
2005-03-24  2:13           ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231810400.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:52               ` David Brownell

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