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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Adam Belay <abelay@novell.com>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Mapping Device Power States
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:39:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200504071739.56962.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1112918184.9568.335.camel@gaston>

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On Thursday 07 April 2005 4:56 pm, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 15:04 -0700, David Brownell wrote:
> 
> > In short:  why should there be any Linux-wide notion like that?
> > Wouldn't trying to create one just be the problem of creating a
> > "Grand Unified Theory of Power Management"?
> 
> Hrm...
> 
> Each time somebody comes up with an attempt at providing a generic model
> that could be useful enough for most driver, you come up with your
> "grand unified bla bla bla" argument as a way of dismissal... not very
> constructive.

But that doesn't answer my question now, does it?

Talk about dismissal... I've mentioned that twice now.  Yours is
a strange reaction, given that level of exposure.  Maybe it's
just too darn close for comfort?

I _do_ happen to think that much of the reason the power management
stuff has stayed such a mess is that folk have been aiming towards
a "grand scheme", and that such a thing is counterproductive.  To
have this work, things need to be decentralized, not micro-managed.


The specific question Adam asked is something I've been thinking
about off and on.  It relates to the issue of what should happen
to the sysfs power/state files.

To perhaps oversimplify things, Adam asked how to change the current
"there is such a global state" model ... and my response was more
at the level of a "that seems like the wrong model, what's the real
problem you want to address?" question.

Maybe there really is something essential in such a global model.
If that's the case, my questions will have good answers...


It's not "constructive" to attack someone for asking honest
questions now, is it???



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  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-08  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-07 21:25 [RFC] Mapping Device Power States Adam Belay
2005-04-07 22:04 ` David Brownell
2005-04-07 23:56   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-08  0:39     ` David Brownell [this message]
2005-04-11  9:50 ` Li Shaohua

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