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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: oliver@neukum.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, psusi@cfl.rr.com,
	pavel@suse.cz, torvalds@osdl.org, mrmacman_g4@mac.com,
	alon.barlev@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler?
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:57:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060219235752.2d6e252c.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060219232926.256665d6.akpm@osdl.org>

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Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:
>
>  > If you simply block writes, the system will stall random tasks laundering
>  > pages, including those needed to make progress. Even syncing before
>  > suspend won't help you, as a running user space may dirty pages.
> 
>  Well of _course_ that will happen.

Actually, it won't happen.  There's already logic in there to help pdflush,
kswapd and memory-allocating tasks avoid blocking on congested queues. 
It's trivial to extend that to avoidance of hotunplugged queues.

Things like sync(), fsync(), O_SYNC and reads will necessarily block.

We may or may not decide to block on page-dirtyings.  Again, that's trivial
to do in balance_dirty_pages().

Race conditions are pretty much unavoidable - if someone goes and disables
a device when we're partway through and committed to I/O submission then
things will get very sticky.  But we can have a pretty successful solution
to all of this without a ton of effort.

But this is all the easy part.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-20  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20060217210445.GR3490@openzaurus.ucw.cz>
2006-02-18 21:04 ` Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler? Alan Stern
2006-02-19  0:02   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19  6:02     ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19  6:32       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 16:39         ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:54           ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:02             ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 20:44               ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-19 21:02                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20  6:55                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-20  7:29                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20  7:57                       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
     [not found] <200602132327.10475.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-02-14 19:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 20:41   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 21:08     ` Lee Revell
2006-02-15 15:56     ` Alan Stern

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